connect foreign batteries on Victron BMS

Hello and kind regards


Can I connect foreign batteries on Victron BMS (for example No name batteries or Winston batteries) ?

there are tricks?

meda asked
Stefanie answered ·

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Smart BMS Cl 12/100 Multiplus Compatibility

Hi there

I note in the manual for the Smart BMS Cl 12/100 that the Multiplus 3kva must be of 'recent type' with auxillary inputs. I bought my Multiplus 12/3000/120 about 6 months ago. Can anyone tell me if this version is compatible, picture below of the inputs on my unit.


Thanks


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daveybdublin asked
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MultiPlus with a BMS CL 12-100 -- Load and Charge Disconnect Not Working

Hi All

Help please...

My Multiplus (EasyPlus Compact 12/1600/70) will not switch off when instructed to by the BMS (Smart BMS CL 12-100). My set up is as per below -

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I am using the Cable for Smart BMS CL 12-100 to MultiPlus (PN: ASS070200100). I have tested the V output from the load and charge disconnect on the BMS - they are performing as expected (both normally high). But when the BMS changes to load or charge disconnect - the Multiplus stays on. The V on the cable becomes free floating, as expected, but makes no difference to the Multiplus.

I have connected the Cable as per instructions which states - "When used with the MultiPlus Compact 800VA-2kVA models connect the black wire to the middle terminal and the red wire to the right (IN) terminal."

From the Multiplus manual - I have plugged the cable in as per below - black to terminal 2 and red to terminal 3.

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I am expecting the Multiplus to switch off when either load or charge disconnect become free floating - but the Multiplus stays on.

Any help / advice would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Tim

miya asked
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Does the Lynx Smart Bms exist?

As per the topic, this product is listed in the victron product page, yet can find absolutely no evidence of it out in the real world.

https://www.victronenergy.com.au/dc-distribution-systems/lynx-smart-bms

brent1982 asked
mvader (Victron Energy) commented ·

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Disconnecting Large DC Loads

Hi! I've been searching here, but haven't found any discussion around this question.

I'm looking at setting up a large lithium house bank on a boat (800Ah) to drive both DC loads and a multiplus inverter and a VE.Bus BMS. I understand that the BMS should be able to switch the load off under certain conditions. The suggested route is to use a BatteryProtect, and the remote option on the Multiplus.

Switching the Multiplus seems straightforward, but switching the large DC load less so. Max DC ampacity for the load is roughly 600A, although the highest current draws are very intermittent — windlass (100A), electric winches (200A x 2). Even so, my understanding is that I need to switch everything off when indicated by the BMS.

The largest constant current ampacity I see for the BatteryProtect is 220A. While some loads are intermittent, when in use, they may be used for minutes at a time, so I think I must remain within the continuous current rating for the Battery Protect.

What's the best way to switch this DC load?

I've considered paralleling several BatteryProtects, both on the load and on the signaling circuits, but I'm currently leaning towards a 600A contactor with 4000A surge rating, despite the appearance that the signal from the BMS will likely need to drive a relay to provide the necessary current to the contactor.

Please advise.

Thanks!

Peter

pmolettiere asked
pmolettiere commented ·

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Red Led is on BMS CL 12V 100

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I have just finished an install of Victron Lithium Batteries. I have multiplus 3k 120v which I have programmed the assistants. The BMS is powered by the start battery. When I power on the lithium’s I get a red led indicating over temperature. My batteries both are within range temperature wise and n o alarms. I am afraid to keep commissioning as the next step is to run the alternator which I don’t want to do until I understand the Red led light.

dfraizer asked
dfraizer commented ·

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Orion-Tr Smart, VE.Direct and integration with GX devices?

Hey there, as I commented on the blog post,

"I'm curious if future versions will have VE.Direct or some sort of integration like that with GX devices? Currently, it seems that the MPPT and MultiPlus are able to coordinate their total charge rate with external BMS via the GX devices. But it seems that the Orion-Tr does not participate in this?"

I'm wondering if there's a way to integrate the Orion-Tr Smart chargers with the CCGX. In particular, as far as I understand, GX devices can coordinate with external BMS via CANBus to determine the charging parameters of a battery. It seems that the Victron MPPT and Victron MultiPlus can respect these limits via VE.Direct and VE.Bus respectively, which is great and a big reason why I bought this BMS and the suite of Victron product.

Now I'm considering purchasing Orion-Tr Smart chargers, however I noticed that they don't have any VE.Direct connectivity, or any other VE connectivity aside from the Bluetooth one. Is something like VE.Direct, VE.Bus or VE.Can planned? Will Orion-Tr Smart chargers integrate with GX devices?

aybabtme asked
Pantelis Zirinis answered ·

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VE Lithium Battery Bank, Which BMS to Use?

Hi All,


I appreciate that this question may come down to preference, but I would greatly appreciate anyone's input on this if possible. My dad and I are currently installing the VE setup I've purchased for my liveaboard, which includes:

3 x 100ah Lifepo4 batteries

1 x Multiplus 12/3000/120

1 x BMS 12/200

1 x BMV 712 shunt

2 x Power In Bus bars

1 x Cerbo GX & Monitor

1 x Standard 105ah lead acid starter battery

70amp alternator


The Victron setup above was recommended to us by the agent who I purchased it from. Since then we have done a good bit of research on the Victron setup, and we are now questioning whether the BMS 12/200 is the best option for our setup... Would anyone recommend the Smart BMS CL 12/100 and or the VE.Bus BMS along with the Cyrix Li Ct?

The Smart BMS does not appear to limit the current draw of the house batteries which the BMS 12/200 does appear to do. The Smart BMS also appears to offer better protection to the starter battery..


Can anyone weigh in on their experience or opinion of these BMS options?


Cheers, David

daveybdublin asked
Paul B answered ·

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VECan BMS+Skylla IP65 12/70 1+1 / Current control

Dear Community,

I would like to request your help regarding setup of a Skylla IP65 12/70 1+1 connected on VE.CAN to a intelligent BMS.

A REC-ABMS is issuing CVL, CCL and DCL data (respectively Charge Voltage Limit, Charge Current Limit and Discharge Current Limit). Data appears correctly on a GX display.
The Skylla is also connected to the GX display and data appears ax expected on the same GX display.

I would like to configure the Skylla so it follows CVL and CCL values. I have enabled the BMS Present feature (#31) but this lead to the following error after apporximately 10s : "error 67 : BMS connection lost".

I would be very grateful if someone could help suggesting the setup necessary to get the Skylla to honour the CVL and CCL data.

Best regards,

smoothfroggy asked

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BMS parameter

How´s got the BMS parameters? In order to implement my software to the victron system? CERBO GX

ismael asked
Paul B commented ·

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Powering Smart BMS Cl 12/100 from Lithium batter with a diode

I have a boat where I am installing Victron Smart Lithium batteries ( 2 x 200 Ah). I have a Smart BMS CL 12/100 to manage the charge sources ( MPPT 100-50 + and Phoenix IP43) plus loads ( Smart battery protect 12-220)

In all diagrams, input of the BMS is connected to the alternator and the starter battery for power. However, in my case, the output of the alternator is connected to a MOSFET battery splitter , which feeds the service battery, the starter battery and the bow thruster battery from three separate outputs.


Since BMS CL 12-100 takes its power from starter battery connected to the input port, due to the battery splitter, the starter battery will not provide power to BMS unless alternator is running. This means BMS will not enable the chargers and the Battery protec, thus isolating the batteries.


My solution is to have a cable from lithium batteries connected to the alternator input of the BMS with a diode. This configuration did work in my test setup. But I need to get a confirmation that it will not cause any issue before wiring the boat.

Will this cause an issue when the alternator is running

mcd asked

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controlling Victron MultiPlus 12 / 3000 / 120 with REC ABMS + Cerbo

as per the title i am trying to configure a Rec ABMS with VE CAN to control the allowed to charge / allowed to discharge settings of the Multi.

I have tried adding the VE bus BMS assistant but this give me a flashing low battery light on the Multi.

i have the ABMS working as a battery monitor in the Cerbo but the Multi is not seeming to be working with it.

is there something I am missing is this a supported function to control via VE CAN or do i need to use 2 wire BMS and wire the relays

nfluester asked
petersailor answered ·

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Do I need to change the dip switches after setting the BMS Assistant?

Just a simple question.
Just installed two multiplus' in parallel single phase. I did successfully install the BMS assistant on the master by switching the dip switches to 1 on and 2 off. All is working. My question is, should the switches be left in that position?

John M Brandes asked
Matthias Lange - DE answered ·

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Is DMC GX still required for systems with Ve.Bus BMS for changing input current limiter?

Is the DMC GX still required for systems with a Ve.Bus BMS for changing the input current limiter?

The CCGX manual suggests that the DMC GX is still required if you have a Ve.Bus BMS:
From: https://www.victronenergy.com/live/ccgx:start#vebus_inverter_charger_monitoring

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Are the current limit settings, which are now present in the CCGX, sufficient for for controlling input currents in systems with Ve.Bus BMS batteries without the need of a DMC GX?

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Thank you,
Nate

natebert asked
brent1982 edited ·

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Lost functions- CCGX and VeBus BMS can't use remote on/off.

Using Victron 300 Amp/hr Lithium + VeBus BMS. Can no longer turn Multiplus 2000 on/off or adjust in AC (Hybrid mode)- which is a great feature. CCGX now shows feature disabled and controlled by BMS. All firmware up to date.

Anyway to override? Really want to use small genny + battery to run higher AC loads.


dreww asked
Guy Stewart (Victron Community Manager) commented ·

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ESS mode ignores BMS BMZ ESS-X control

I would like to ask if it is normal that ESS mode ignores BMS control from BMZ ESS X battery. Configuration 3 x MPII, 3 x BMZ ESS-X, MPPT 250/85, Fronius Symo and AC OUT1, Cebo. All devices have the latest version of FW. Unfortunately even if the BMS battery sends a parameter - CCL = 0A:

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so the batteries are still charging. The charger is set according to the manual for BMZ = Absobrtion time = 1. Unfortunately = Absobrtion time is never one hour, even 7 hours at a time.

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Status code # 3 should appear in ESS mode: BMS disabled charging, I've never seen it with BMZ ESS X in ESS mode. I run another 4 similar systems with BMZ ESS X and I have also never seen status code # 3: BMS disabled charging.

I'm worried about the batteries, about the safety of operation. I think I overcharge them this way and they could be damaged. Please tell me if this behavior is normal (the battery is not overcharging) or if it is an error. Thanks Ondra



ondra asked
Daniël Boekel (Victron Energy Staff) commented ·

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Connect ve.bus BMS to Venus GX

I have a Lithium system with ve.bus BMS and want to know the cell voltages. I don't have the Smart variety batteries. I also want the other benefits of having the BMS talk with the Venus.

According to the CCGX manual, one can connect the BMS directly to the CCGX and I would assume by extension, to the Venus. I quote from the manual with regards to the be.bus BMS:

"Connect the CCGX to the socket labelled ‘MultiPlus/Quattro’, or to one of the Multis/Quattros in the system. Do not connect it to the Remote panel socket on the VE.Bus BMS."

I have not been able to get the BMS to show up as a device on the Venus, but all my other devices do. I have contacted my dealer who assured me I should be plugging the Venus into the "remote panel" socket on the BMS even when I quoted him the manual. This did not do anything, either.

Someone else on here asked a similar question and was told they could not be connected. Given that the bus is merely passing on data, I don't see why it should not work, but with all the contradicting information I don't know what to do.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Christie

christie asked
mvader (Victron Energy) commented ·

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No shore power limitation can be set with Cerbo
  1. I am planning the following setup. SMART VICTRON lifepo4 200Ah
    with V. E bus BMS, Multiplus 2000Va 12 V, Cerbo gx, touch display.
    Smart Mppt 100/50 and 70/15
    
    Is it true that I cannot limit the shore power with the Ve Bus bms with the Cerbo Gx?
    
    Doesn't the whole bus make sense?

razer05 asked
razer05 answered ·

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Multiplus is tripping Battle Born battery BMS

Hello, I have a Multiplus 2000/12 connected to a single Battle Born Lithium battery. Every now and then when I turn the Multiplus on (using on/off switch, not the hard switch on the Multiplus) it trips the BMS on the Battle born. Then I have to disconnect the battery and reconnect to reset the BMS. I have no idea what is causing this. This usually starts happening when I turn off the power to the Multiplus without turning off the Multiplus first. Then it starts this vicious cycle of tripping the battery every time I send power to the Multiplus. I have checked all the wires and everything is tight and isolated. It almost seems like something is bad with the Multiplus or Battle Born. Both the Multiplus and Battle born are brand new. I haven't even started using the Inverter yet just the charging.

I did fire up the inverter on a test run and the buzzing was really loud (normal?) and then it too tripped the BMS after 2-3 seconds.

Thanks for any help. I live in Colorado and I can't find anyone I can pay to come and help figure it out. It seems even the distributors of Victron don't know how to service them. Also, I have had Victron pros in this community validate my schematics, but happy to post again.

kaplan78 asked
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Smart bms cl 12/100 with non Victron lithium batteries
  • I've connected my Smart BMS Cl 12/100 into my system with my non Victron lithiums, my non Victron bms is connected to the remote switch to stop overvoltage.

The starter battery is above the voltage needed but I'm still not getting any charge into the battery. I'm getting an alert saying that undervoltage protection is activated even though its registering the Lithiums and starter above the cut off limits?

Is this because I'm using a none victron battery and the 2 bms cable aren't connected?

If so is there a workaround?

I would have used the bms 12-200 but my alternators neg goes through the engine.

chezgals asked
chezgals commented ·

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12/2000 Wire Size, Fuse/Breaker

Getting ready to install my 12/2000 Multiplus on my 272AH 12V battery bank, Daly 250A 4S BMS. Anyway I read on the forums here to use 4/0 wire. While that sounds great and all my Negative wire is limited to the small wire of my BMS. I also read to use a 350/400A Fuse/Breaker on my Positive side, while that is fine, Should I limit that to a 250A so I don't exceed 1C of my BMS?


What size fuse/breaker should I use?

Do I need to run 4/0 or will something smaller like 1/0 be sufficient? (<5' Run.)

kyle-mccombs asked
rslifkin answered ·

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Maximum fuse size for CL12-100 in Sprinter van with 220 amp alternator

I have been told by a local installer that I can put a 100amp fuse in my CL12-100 and that the van's 220 amp alternator can handle the resulting 90 amp output. Is there general consensus that this is safe for the alternator?

cwvandy asked

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Help... 3 PV arrays, 3 MPPT and 2 battery banks

Hi - I have 3 separate solar arrays, each feeding into its own 75/15 MPPT which then feeds 2 separate battery banks (which can be individually selected or linked with a selector switch)


I guess my question is should/could all this be run on a single VE network? (I have 2 shunts, 2 BMS, 2 smart protect, 2 battery sense and 2 LiFePo 100Ah batteries)

My other question is if I link the batteries in parallel, which battery should I put the smart battery sense on? or shich should I connect to the BMS or use both?

Many thanks for all your help

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REC-BMS for Victron / Multiplus 24/3000 / Control Load busbar

Hi,

I'm pretty new to LiFeYPO4 (coming from normal batteries) and I want to build a Victron system using Winston LiFeYPO4 batteries with REC SI BMS for Victron. I intend to build a 2p8s system which is connected to the BMS.

REC BMS communicates with Victron via CAN and CCGX will be configured with DVCC to let the BMS decide the whole charging thing.

My issue is regarding the LOAD:

In all Lithium Victron diagrams (e.g. here) a Smart Battery Protect is used to switch loads on and of. SBP is controlled by VE-BUS BMS via the load disconnect signal. But with REC-BMS I have no clue to accieve this...

Is it possible to use the alarm relay of CCGX? REC BMS also has an optocoupler but the manual says this is only for charging...

My questions are:

Is it correct that in case of undervoltage the inverter of the MPII is switche off via CAN?

Has anybody an idea how to switch of all 24/12v loads in a Victron environment using REC BMS for Victron?

Any ideas appreciated.

Thanks
Peter

pegi asked
luckybeanz commented ·

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Cable size fro BMS to batteries

I am installing new VE smart lithium’s 12.8 200 amps X 2. I have run a single 4/0 from my multiplus 12/3000 120v to a positive bus that is fused correctly. I cant fit 2x70 mm in the cable path, I am using 4/0 to a battery switch from the lithium’s and then on to the positive bus bar. . Do I need to use 4/0 from my BMS to the positive bus bar? I am only using 2 awg for my starter/alternator battery hookup And would use the same size cable from the start battery side of the BMS to the start battery.

dfraizer asked

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Why can't I connect the CCGX VE Bus to VE BUS BMS ?

Just wondering if anyone can give a valid reason why the CCGX cannot connect to the 'remote' terminal on the VE Bus on the BMS. It says in the BMS manual to connect it to the Multi. But when I have tried it out everything seems to work as normal and I can even see the Multi on the CCGX as it is connected on the "multi/quattro" terminal of the BMS. The only thing that seems to happen is the 'Enable" light goes off on the BMS. Just asking out of interest and because the Multi is a much longer run through the boat and I had forgotten to do it when I ran the other one.

Adam Robb asked
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Multiple devices not communicating on VE bus network

I have a new 1600ah lithium installation. It has a multiplus 24/5000, multiplus 24/4000 and a Phoenix inverter. I cannot get them all to work/communicate with each other over the BMS VE. Bus network. I have updated all the firmware and changed all devices to BMS assist

Adam Robb asked
Adam Robb commented ·

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victron bms wont allow quattro to charge or invert.

Hi

I have been having some issues with my system after i added a 3rd smart battery.

Firstly the Quattro would only turn on when i did a re-detect on the CCGX. But after then it would operate as normal.

We went away last weekend and i noticed the batteries were down to 30% when i raedy to come home. , however we were on shore power. The quattro was marked on the CCGX as in pass-thro mode although the unit was physically switched to ON.

When i checked the graphs in VRM the unit operated correctly Inverting as we tavelled then charging the batteries on arrival when connected to shore power.. Soon a the unit switches to passthrough mode where it stayed.

When i got back i have updated the firmwire in both the ccGx and the Quattro to the latest.

On completion this allowed the Quattro to Charge.

But this was because i updated the Quattro using the Android connect app and despite configuring the charge settings for Lithium i then had to use the remote vrm to reload the ve bms assistant.

As soon as i uploaded the assistant the Quattro went back into pass thro mode which allows just the AC through to power connected loads on the AC out but nothing else.

SO i can assume the VE BMS is telling the Quattro not to allow charge or discharge.

I also have a red low battery flashing red light on the Quattro. my Batteries are not low they are now at 79%. No faults showing on the bms etc


I have attached a rough schematic of my system .

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I have also attached a screenshot of the widgets if this helps at the point the inverter changed to passthro

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On my CCGX settings the VE bus shows

"an assistent is loaded an configured for a BMS but none can be found"

the settings box for the bms has allow to charge / discharge disabled and BMS error as YES

I intend to check all my RG45 leadsand wires etc as a first port of call tomorrow.

I will also connect the batteries individually to see if there is a problem there although they all look fine on the connect app

But what else should I check?

i was considering swapping the bms for another to cross out that being faulty?


I would really appreciate some help with this one

jaywolfe asked
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MPPT SmartSolar and Orion-TR Smart charge disconnect

As the title says, I have a SmartSolar MPPT Charger and a VE.Bus BMS, to which I have just added a Smart Orion-TR Non-Isolated Charger. I currently already have a VE.Direct non inverting remote on-off cable to connect the BMS charge disconnect output to the MPPT VE.Direct interface. Now I want to also control the Orion-TR via the BMS charge disconnect.

Can the digital charge disconnect output of the VE.Bus BMS drive both the input of the Orion-TR remote on/off and the input of VE-Direct non-inverting cable module? In other words, can I leave the non-inverting remote on/off cable plugged into the BMS and simply add a wire from the BMS to the Orion?



robertsonics asked
Stefanie commented ·

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EasySolar 12V/1600

Dear community, good afternoon


I have an EasySolar 12V/1600.

Is it possible to connect VE.Bus BMS + LiPoFe4 Smart batteries to it without using a GX interface?

Thanks for your comments,


Best regards,

Javier Moran asked
Javier Moran answered ·

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