Hi, I've been reading though all the posted questions but can't find a clear answer.

I'm considering replacing the current AGM house bank on my boat with SuperPack batteries, and I'm trying to understand what it would involve.

Below an attempt to visualize my current setup:

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I understand that I'll have to replace the shore charger for a Lithium one, but beyond that, is there anything else I would have to replace/modify, or will the SmartPacks be a simple "drop-in" replacement?

My main doubt is:

Since the BMS is integrated, what will happen if the batteries are fully charged and the engine/alternator is running? Is there a risk the BMS will trigger the over-charge protection and disconnect all the loads (e.g. loosing plotter and instruments when approaching an anchorage/marina)

Any other suggestion/input is highly appreciated, like: does the Argo Fet still make sense with the SuperPack, or should I replace it with an Orion-Tr DC-DC charger? Do I need a separate external BMS to protect the batteries from overcharging?

Thank you!

Hello Victron Community,

I am trying out something new, and if it works, it could be a regular thing.

Victron is launching a new product, and in the spirit of the community I would like to give you all an opportunity to ask any questions that you might have.

This gives you a chance to learn about something first, and also helps us to improve the initial documentation with some of the things that people might like to know that we haven’t thought about yet.

The product is called the Lithium SuperPack battery.

The big difference between this range and our other ranges is an integrated BMS and safety switch. No additional components are needed as the internal switch will disconnect the battery in case of over discharge, over charge or high temperature. Simple and safe.

The SuperPack range comes in 5 sizes – 20, 60, 100 and 200Ah at 12.8V, plus a 25.6V 50Ah.

They can be connected in parallel without limit. But not connected in series.

They are rated for 2,500 cycles to 80% depth of discharge at 25°C

Charge voltages, current capacities and full specifications are listed in the datasheet:

https://www.victronenergy.com/upload/documents/Datasheet-12,8V-&-25,6-Lithium-SuperPack-EN.pdf

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So, are there any questions?

my application: automotive

i want to run this battery in parallel with vehicle AGM Oddesy group 25 batteries, to supply a full wave inverter. both of these will be charged with a vehicle alternator supplying 270 amps charging capacity, with a 14.4 vdc charge voltage off the alternator. my understanding is this battery will not require additional controls in this situation. is this correct?

is this a safe and appropriate installation? no solar integration, just charging all the batteries off the alternator, and discharging with the inverter, and vehicle load controller for 12 volt loads.

i will be using the high ampacity 100ah flavor of this, allowing 100a. charge and discharge rates. cable sizing and fusing is appropriate.

i am planning to fuse the battery at 125 amps, as the high aperage battery is capable of 150 amps discharge for 10 seconds, so in a field wiring short circuit situation, it'll have enough oomph to blow the fuse and not just sit there and cook the vehicle.

Randy

A friend has two 100Ah High Current superpacks, or so the invoice says. I can't find a way to verify whether he's got the regular ones or the high current ones from a model number / writing-on-the-battery perspective. No documentation or images I've found make this clear. (We don't trust his installer)

I'd like to find out for sure because the's got two in parallel and they're shutting down with 140 amps of load (70 amps each) and the high current model is supposedly rated for 100 amps sustained each (200 total in his configuration). The batteries are diagonally connected in parallel so it shouldn't be a matter of one of them taking more load than the other (no clamp meter to verify yet).

Hi Guys,

I have 4 Superpacks 12.8v/200Ah connected in parallel and would require some expert advise on how to properly fuse them for maximum safety and efficiency.

According to the specs each of my Superpack could provide a constant discharge of 70 amps and up to 100 amps for 10 seconds before their internal BMS disconnects them.

Right now I have each of them fused with a 50 amp MEGA fuse before going to a “battery only busbar”. All my MPPTs and Inverters are on another busbar and the connection between these busbars is fused with another 180 amp MEGA fuse. This is kind of unsatisfying because my 4 batteries could provide 280 amps in total.

I was initially considering 70 amp MEGA fuses per battery but they are apparently to slow to trigger before the BMS shuts off. According to the specs I have found a 70 amp MEGA fuse would require more than 10 seconds to trigger, even at a 100 amp load, which makes them kind of pointless. I would also like to avoid a chain reaction like situation where each of the fuses trigger after the first battery disconnects….

The dealer where I got the batteries from recommended to only fuse the busbar itself but this feels to me like an absolute no-go safety-wise.

My only idea would be to switch from MEGA to ANL fuses (which are faster reacting) but from what I have seen these ANL fuses get pretty hot and waste a lot of energy them self.

I would really appreciate any thoughts/suggestions/discussions….

Thanks and cheers,

Chris

Hi,

I want to buy a BlueSolar MPPT 12/24/48VDC 100/20 for use with 2 solar panels to charge a (approx.) 48V battery pack 14s48p from recovered 18650 cells.

I will use a BMS and I'm currently reading the "Victron Wired bible" but I'm not sure what else do I need for optimal configuration and long running of such a setup.

I'm not sure what the BlueSolar will do when will finish charging the battery pack. Can I do something with the solar power when the battery is full? Do I need a SmartShunt from the start or I can add it later? I will also want to use a Raspberry PI to check on things remotely.

I'm seeking information from more experienced users, or maybe someone with similar setup.

Thank you!

Hello, I just purchased a used boat with a upgraded Victron 1400 amp hour 12 volt superpack Lithium battery bank, GX Touch, and Multiplus 3000k inverter/charger. When I run the Headhunter Mach 5, 120 volt, 10 amp water pump I receive a High DC ripple warning. The batteries are showing float charge of 13.5 volts, and we are drawing less than 20 amps through the inverter. Not sure what to check or what damage this might be causing. Is it dangerous to use the water pump until I figure out the issue?

If I have two superpack 100Ah LiFePO4 batteries wired in parallel, does the discharge limit remain the same or does that also double?

Hi there!

Been searching the forum for an answer, but no luck so far.

I've got a setup with a Lithium Superpack 12v 100Ah, mppt solar, orion-tr smart, multiplus 1200 and a bmv-712. Everything functioned fine over the last two months. I've put away the van for a few days now. When i came back, the bmv was sounding the alarm and reads only 9,8V. All dc loads are disengaged or turned off. Only the bmv is connected.

How can the voltage drop that low? As I understood the internal bms of the superpack should've disconnected the load long before reaching 9,8V! And on top of that, the bmv is the only (tiny) load connected. How is this possible?

All help is very much appreciated!

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Hi,

Today my brand new SuperPack 12V 200Ah got delivered but I am a bit puzzled by its looks. The battery has a blue case and white handles for transportation.

I thought the 200Ah version comes in a black case with black handles? If I take a close look at the product pictures on the victron website I can spot some other differences as well (e.g. mine has much smaller labels and 3 oval shaped openings on the top)

Is there any way to verify if this is a genuine Victron product?

best regards,

Chris

Hi, victron community! After doing research online for a couple of days and also contacting the distributor that sold it to me, i still didn’t get a defenitive answer on the safety of the sound my multiplus does.

My system is made of a 12v 3000w 16A multiplus, 2x100ah victron superpacks, 810w solar, 50A victron charger, venus gx, smart shunt and a battery protect. I have had no issues, until i used an espresso machine, 850w, peak may be double. i used it with no other load, and it’s within the battery discharge maximum 2x50A(2 parallel batteries). When the water is heating, and pulling around 800w, there are no issues. But when the water pump starts and coffee is dripping normally, the multiplus does a really loud, fast, repeating cracking sound. I will attach a video from the caravan, with the coffee maker and the cracking sound the inverter does. I stopped using the coffee maker since.

there is also this page that says something about some keuring machines, but it’s the only resource i’ve found. I. Here is the link

https://amsolar.com/rv-inverters-chargers/99-vt2000kit

My seller, official victron distributor, assured me it’s normal. i do not trust their expertise after having to convince them to follow the manual directions. Like using 2x50mm2 between battery and inverter, just like the manual says, instead of 1x25mm2, and many more regarding safety switches and lack of good practice in general… not to mention they paired my superpacks in series at first, which the manual says is forbidden, just to try to upsell a new victron inverter that was 24v system… if i didn’t insist them calling another dealer, they could have ruined the batteries… or they did and they don’t show it it.

back to the problem, Loud cracking when using espresso machine. What to do?

this it the model. if you use chrome, you can google translate the whole page in your language.

https://www.emag.ro/espressor-heinner-850-w-1-5-l-15-bar-filtru-dublu-din-inox-negru-argintiu-hem-850bksl/pd/DH9XV6BBM/?cmpid=86943&gclid=CjwKCAjwpMOIBhBAEiwAy5M6YBmz1ocfBzTNfoe8lULjlFK6KN_gKBVWVWVLGqkmo4M4-HLjkdjhXhoCwo8QAvD_BwE

thank you for reading my post. I hope i will find an answer

Hi,

I have a question about the superpack 24V 50Ah batteries. What is the short circuit current? Or in other words the max draw limit? I can find that they can provide 50A continues and 100A for a short moment. Is there a cut of in the internal BMS that will not alow more then 100A output?

Thanks in advance for your replay!

I have noticed that my Cyrix-Li-Ct limits the charge of my Victron SuperPack batteries (3x200ah Victron SuperPacks) to approx 13.4v.

The Cyrix-Li-Ct terminal 87 is connected to 120Amp fuse then the vehicle's battery via a 1/0 cable to my vehicle's battery. Terminal 30 goes the batteries; terminal 85 goes to batteries pos and 86 to my negative bus bar. This was the wiring recommendation from the battery seller.

When I start the van I see the voltage around 13.40v and the amperage as a negative number and within a minute or so it jumps to a positive number (+100 amps) and the voltage increases to above 13.6v but then a couple minutes later it drops to lower positive numbers. The battery voltage rarely reaches 13.5v and current will get as low as 18 amps. 3 BMV712 screen shots attached

Do I need the Cyrix-Li with the SuperPacks? If so, do I have this correctly wired? If correct, why aren't the batteries charging to 14.2v?

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Bonjour à tous,

Je viens de remplacer sur une installation : Multiplus 12/3000, BMV 700 et MPPT 100/50 la batterie Super-cycle AGM 230 Ah par une Lithium Super Pack 12.8v 200Ah.

J'ai positionné l"interrupteur rotatif du MPPT 100/50 sur 7.

Le Multiplus avait une version de soft 2609413 que j'ai passé à 2609481. Paramètre batterie LiFeP04 et je n'ai pas activé le mode BMV avec la capacité batterie.

Je pense que c'est la dernière version mais j'aimerais que vous me le confirmeriez ?

Mon soucis c'est qu'une fois branché à quai le multiplus entame une phase de charge pendant 2 à 3 minutes ( 14.4 volts et 70Amps de charge) puis il coupe.

Cette coupure coupe l'intégralité de la charge et aussi les éléments branché sur la sortie. Une sorte de black out ! puis il redémarre et entame de nouveau sa phase de charge.... et rebelote il coupe !

Si je débranche la prise de quai il passe en mode convertisseur sans problème.

Une idée du problème ?

Merci
Michaël