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Victron Multiplus 12/3000/120-50 wont hold float voltage

I have a Victron Multiplus12/3000/120-50 configured with 3 SOK 206ah Lithium batteries. The charger is configured to hold a float voltage of 13.8 volts. I recently installed a Victron 30amp DC to DC charger, and notice that the Multiplus no longer will hold the 13.8 volts in float. It now only holds 13.5 volts. If I reset the Multiplus, it will go back to bulk and recharge the batteries, but the situation occurs again. How can I diagnose, troubleshoot and fix this issue?

garysclark asked
kevgermany answered ·

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Float / Bulk on Orion DCDC question.

Hi there, my Orion DCDC seems to be on float as my battery is slowly discharging. At what point will it kick in again for a Bulk charge?

My Victron Smart Solar charger just goes straight to Bulk.

Battery is sitting about 75%

Charging profile is Factory default for LiPo4

richardc asked
kevgermany answered ·

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Centaur charger does not switch to float

My Centaur 24/40 charges 12 2V units and has suddenly stopped switching to "Float" and only charges "Bulk" to the maximum of about 28.5V at about 6Amp. Any ideas? Can it be fixed?

vacent24 asked

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How an inverter works in "External Control" mode?

I'm trying to understand how "External Control" mode works in case we have shore power.

Setup: MultiPlus 48/5000 + Cerbo GX +(over CAN Bus)+ LFP battery (similar to this one).

I'm struggling with OverVoltage and DisbalanceVoltage errors on the battery.

And I have some doubts regarding (VEConfig 3) settings changes which I'm trying to play with.
For instance, I noticed limitation: the battery does not allow me to use Charge Current more than 30A.

I'm playing with different settings, e.g. Absorption/Float Voltage.

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(DVCC➡Maximum Charge Voltage: 55.3)

In my understanding, the inverter shall go to Float after full charge battery. But it does not (I mean, the light "Float" does not light up).

Before I connected CAN bus to the battery – "Float" was working.

Questions

  1. How to figure out which settings are applicable in "External Control" mode?
    1. Does an inverter has some influence or BMS controls most of things?
  2. If there are limits, how to deal with OverVoltage and DisbalanceVoltage errors on the battery?




kirby asked
nickdb answered ·

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MPPT 100/30 float issue

Hi all,

I've had a look through the masses of previous questions and unfortunately couldn't find any that were quite the same as mine.

Recently I have noticed that my SmartSolar 100/30 completes it's bulk and absorption stages and enters float mode. When in float it will match any current draw from the battery for roughly an hour and then will suddenly no longer keep matching the battery and it will then start dropping down from 100%.
It says it is in float mode, there is plenty of sunlight and panel voltage present, however it doesn't output any charge to the battery. No other chargers connected to the battery.

I have the float voltage set to 15.8V and even when the loads connected to the battery increases it does not kick it back into bulk.

I then have to reset the controller by disconnecting the solar, then battery and reconnecting, which it will then it go back into bulk mode, absorption mode and then eventually into float again.

Has anyone else experienced this issue? Is it potentially a firmware issue?

Thanks

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ksmith asked
martyh42 answered ·

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24v Battery Bank in Float Before Bulk Charge Volts Reached

I have a 24v bank of fla's comprised of twelve 6v 235ah making a bank of 705ah. They are Rolls so I have set the charge voltage to 30 and float to 27 which is recommended. I've been charging this week to get a full deep charge accomplished in this new bank as it's been about a month now and we haven't done a full float on it. So, lots of charging. Right now though, the system shows that the volts is under the 30v that the charge is set to, but above the 27v that float charges at.

QUESTION: Did I wrongly assume that it would do a bulk/absorb charge to reach 30v, then switch to float to finish for an hour? Not sure why I'm seeing what I'm seeing. Is something wrong here or is something right here:

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allswell asked
allswell commented ·

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State of Charge not exceeding 25% even thought Charge Controller on Float?

I'm advice on a 24v Easysolar Unit, Charge Controller 150/35 and BMV712.

Our SOC (on all devices) does not exceed 25% even though the MPPT Charge Controller & Easy Solar are getting to float every day.

We recently replaced the batteries so I dont think it's those.

It feels to me like perhaps the unit is not setup correctly? Perhaps as a 48v system or something?

Any ideas?


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james09 asked
klim8skeptic answered ·

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float - Lithium manufacturer says no?

Hello,

Our installer just installed a Victron Phoenix Smart 50 amp 3 bank charger to new 2 lithium battery banks (4 total). We didn’t know what to do about the float setting, as Victron’s website suggested 13.2V however the manufacturer's website said that a constant float charge will degrade the battery. See excerpts below.

Can the float setting be zero? What happens if I’m not on the boat for an extended period, but it’s connected to shore power?

Thank you for any help you can offer.



From Victron:

6.4. Lithium batteries

Lithium Iron Phosphate (LiFePo4) batteries do not need to be fully charged to prevent premature failure. The default lithium (and recommended) settings are:

Setting

12V system

24V system

48V system

Absorption voltage

14.2V

28.4V

56.8V

Absorption time

2h

2h

2h

Float voltage

13.2V

26.4V

52.8V



From the manufacturer:


Should I use float chargers or battery maintainers for my lithium battery?

No, LiFePO4 batteries should be disconnected from the charger when fully charged. Float charging, or maintainers are not good for lithium batteries. Keeping a constant float charge or topping off charge also can cause metal plating and will reduce the lifespan of lithium batteries. Dakota Lithium batteries also have a low self-discharge rate of <5% a month. This low self-discharge rate makes a battery maintainer for long term storage un-necessary (for more on battery storage see section below).

jpcirig asked
Daniël Boekel (Victron Energy Staff) answered ·

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What should I set Lithium Battery Absorption Time to?

They say that Lithium batteries don't need to be charged in absoption mode. I've heard that when charging Lithium you should go from Bulk straight to Float. Will setting the absorption time to zero achieve this? What about setting the absoption voltage to a really low voltage that is never achievable? What do others on this forum know of this? What settings do others use when charging their caravan Lithium battery? MPPT Bluesolar 100/30, Sentry 300AH Lithium, 300W solar.

redrover asked
zoneblue edited ·

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Why isn't my smart BMV going into float?

I have 300 w of solar on my rv and a 335ah battery bank and I can't seem to get them in float mode. I realized the other day that the state of charge wasn't synchronized to 100%. It's possible that happened a month ago when I took it in for service and they may have disconnected the batteries momentarily without me knowing. So it was reading 100% at 11.7 volts and charging accordingly. It hasn't been in float mode for 30 days at least and absorbtion only a few minutes of a few days. I turned off all the loads and waited for a sunny day to try to synchronize it, get it up to absorption and then float. Today it went into absorption for exactly 2 hours but then directly back to bulk. Am I missing something? I have set the charging parameters for the centennial batteries for their website. This is all new to me so any advice is appreciated!

Bmv 712 monitor

Mppt 100/30 controller

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annie-314 asked
annie-314 commented ·

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Float/Absorption signal on Venus GX

Hi,

I want to use the float/absorption signal to control an external device (geyser) Js this signal available on one of the Venus GX external terminals?

I am making useof the extra power after the batteries arefully charged, hence "float" despite some kWh would still be available.

Any other way to pick up that signal.

Thanks a lot

Walter

Walter Gygax asked
harold commented ·

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MultiPlus Compact 12/1600/70-16 doens't charge to 100% goes into decharging float

I have 2 Victron AGM Supercycle 170 batteries in parallel and my Multiplus doesn't seem to charge them to 100% but comes in a float stage, slowly discharging.

I restarted the Multiplus. It goes into bulk for about 30 seconds, then to absorbtion for 15 minutes with only 1,8A of charging and then to float with 0,3A

As this system has some small users while idle, it actually is decharging slowly.

I would expect that when the BVM712 is at 84% the Multiplus would go into bulk and then absorbtion until almost full and the to float where the float charge is equal or higher than drain from small users.

The system looks like this;

  • MultiPlus Compact 12/1600/70-16 running firmware 497
  • Color control GX running firmware 2.89
  • BMV712-F running firmware 4.08
  • 3x SmartSolar Charger MPPT 75/15 running firmware 1.59
  • 2x Victron AGM supercycle 170 in parallel
  • Victron Cyrix which charges the starter battery

The multiplus, BMV and smart solars are all connected to the color control using the VE bus.
The smart solars and BMV 712 also are connected in their bluetooth network
Interesting enough the smart solar shows in their configuration (in the color control) that they are not networked.

lsi asked
JohnC commented ·

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Victron Lifepo4 never goes to float. Is this a problem?

My system is all Victeon. CerboGX, Victron Smart LiFePO4 200Ah, Multiplus, Lynx Smart BMS MPPTs etc and everything is controlled by DVCC so as far as I’m aware it should be self managing, but it just sits in Absorbtion from the Multiplus output once the battery is full.

Is this fine?

I’m worried that it will damage the battery to be constantly in Absorbtion for months on end.

sweyn asked
Stefanie (Victron Energy Staff) commented ·

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Muiltplus 3000 goes into float and not Bulk mode

My Muiltplus 3000 goes into float and not Bulk mode and the lithium batteries are 84% and 76% and thats with shore power so it look like it a trickle change right now ???

Can someone recommend a company to log in and look at my settings..


Robert Somerville asked
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