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Inconsistent frequency shifting documentation - correct Fronius defaults?

Hi,


When setting up an AC coupled system with a Fronius PV inverter, the instructions state that the default Victron configuration is the correct one. However, I have found conflicting defaults and self contradicting documentation, so would like to clear the air on this and get a definitive answer on the correct settings.


On the Victron website there is a guide for setting up a Fronius inverter: https://www.victronenergy.com/live/ac_coupling:fronius#setting_up_the_victron_multi_or_quattro . This mentions that it is not necessary to change the defaults, and shows a screenshot of the settings and also a table:

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However, as can be seen above, the setting for 50Hz are inconsistent between the picture and the table, with different start frequencies.


When configuring the system, I have tried both the ESS assistant and the PV Inverter assistant, and noticed they both have different defaults:

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So when we are told that the defaults are fine, and there are different defaults depending on the assistant, and the documentation contradicts itself, it can be a bit confusing.


For what its worth, I believe the defaults in the PV Inverter assistant are correct (51Hz start) based on my discussions with Fronius, but I just want to check this with Victron and draw attention to it so that the assistant defaults and documentation can be updated.


Thank you,


Richard


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I'd strongly suggest to establish something like a central knowledge base a.k.a. "semantic vault" - similar to wikidata and to generate from there. One (of many) examples:

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speaks of 51kg. That's not what OCD'lers like me want to read. Moreover, said datasheet sugests that the Zero-Power of an 10kVA Quattro is the same like that of an 8kVA Quattro ... which looks unbelievable/also like an error.

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Victron doesn't say much on THD other than saying that it is <3%. Does this figure apply at max. load or low level load?

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4) vertical wall mount with fan up.

I want to mount the inverter horizontally on a vertical surface (choice 5 which is marked OK)

But;

In page 2 of the Appendix there is a warning specifically to NOT mount the inverter horizontally on a wall, but mounting vertically on a wall is OK

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I'm saying this, but I might be wrong and confuse, please correct me if I'm wrong. I would really like to know which info is right or if the 2 info I think are contradicting are just 2 different info that I think should be the same..

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Is there anything on YouTube?



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Hello Victron Community,

Along with the launch of the Victron Community, and the Victron Support page, I started a document last year to help users to help themselves before they contacted others for more support.

The beginnings of the document are here:

https://victronpress.dev.mindhash.nl/performing_system_check.html

I would really appreciate some other peoples feedback or even contributions.

If you have a GitHub account, you should be able to edit it directly (with the link at the bottom)

Otherwise, I would welcome any suggestions or contributions in comments to this post.

Once it is good enough - it will be linked in Step 2 of the Victron Support page.

Thanks,

Guy Stewart

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