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Orion-Tr Smart, VE.Direct and integration with GX devices?

Hey there, as I commented on the blog post,

"I'm curious if future versions will have VE.Direct or some sort of integration like that with GX devices? Currently, it seems that the MPPT and MultiPlus are able to coordinate their total charge rate with external BMS via the GX devices. But it seems that the Orion-Tr does not participate in this?"

I'm wondering if there's a way to integrate the Orion-Tr Smart chargers with the CCGX. In particular, as far as I understand, GX devices can coordinate with external BMS via CANBus to determine the charging parameters of a battery. It seems that the Victron MPPT and Victron MultiPlus can respect these limits via VE.Direct and VE.Bus respectively, which is great and a big reason why I bought this BMS and the suite of Victron product.

Now I'm considering purchasing Orion-Tr Smart chargers, however I noticed that they don't have any VE.Direct connectivity, or any other VE connectivity aside from the Bluetooth one. Is something like VE.Direct, VE.Bus or VE.Can planned? Will Orion-Tr Smart chargers integrate with GX devices?

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mvader (Victron Energy) answered ·

Hi @aybabtme, some day yes, but not in the near future.


meanwhile, its remote on off contact can be used.

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According to the manual, CerboGX has 2 relays. I want to automatically stop the Orion Tr-Smart thanks to the CerboGX relay, depending on the battery status. Which relay function is correct ? In my view, I would chose the "Generator start/stop" function and define battery voltage parameters to trigger the relay.

Did you manage to find a way to accomplish that?

I also bought an orion because the instructions say that I can connect it to cerebro.gx. or rather it was cleverly forgotten not to say that it doesn't work. https://www.victronenergy.com/media/pg/VictronConnect_Manual/de/victonconnect-remote--vc-r----configuration-and-monitoring-via-vrm.html#UUID-65239e95-58a8-c9a3- ba27-0875083ba016 The instructions also state that they are compatible. https://www.victronenergy.com/media/pg/VictronConnect_Manual/de/compatible-victron-products.html. and as I gather from your answer, also possible! Can you please define the time more precisely when the promised product features will be implemented? "some day yes, but not in the near future" the future is now :) please make your users happy ! Thank-you

kind regards JP

Hi JP, those links are manuals for the VictronConnect App. They are not about the Orion Smart DCDC Converter.

I don't know yet when we'll be able to release a DC-DC Converter with VE.Direct connection; sorry. Fully understood that everyone wants that!

Matthijs

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drlbradley answered ·

Another vote here for integration with Orion and Cerbo GX !

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nebulight answered ·

I'd like to see this as well for DVCC max charge current. Also a nice way to data log input sources other than PV and grid. Maybe in the settings on the GX, like the multi where you can select AC input type (grid, short, gen), you can have similar options (alternator, ect.)

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alnavasa answered ·

I am interested in this too, since The charge by the alternator would not be monitored on the Gx

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adric answered ·

I am also interested in having this integration. Adri

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misullivan answered ·

I’d also like to see this but for the reverse reason.. looking at using one or two to power 12vdc lighting from the 48vdc battery bank.. would be nice if it would tell the GX the power it’s drawing from the bank.

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basti answered ·

Second the need for that. Just shopping for a Orion-Tr, and can't believe, that it can't be integrated with my CerboGX, MP-II and BMS...

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fenix answered ·

that is a big gab from Victron... Orion need to be integrated to the system... it is a source of power such AC, Solar ....

it seam that the Orion was release just to fulfilled the gap from competitor


Let's go Blue Power VIctron


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James Dowse answered ·

Any news on integration? Slowly working on replacing everything with Victron and I was surprised that through the whole ecology this unit wasn't part of the data collection in arm for instance.

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Pantelis Zirinis answered ·

I was about to order 3 Orion 30A and realised that it cannot be connected to Cerbo. I also have a Multiple and MPPT on a lithium system with BMS.


Huge disappointment. I am wondering on what the alternatives are?

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Oh man a client of mine is in this situation, he would like to charge the car battery using the SoC interval (95-100%) of his lithium service batteries through the Orion connected to the Cerbo... did you find a way to move around this problem?
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petajoule answered ·

Right now we're solving this with external current measurement and the on/off switch.
The Orions can operate in parallel, so we're e.g. using 2 devices for a 48V DC rail powering various appliances in a smarthome (mostly PoE switches, which in turn power other devices).

If the Power requirements drop below what one Orion can deliver, one of the two is turned off for power savings. Also, should one of them break (not happened yet and as they are not isolated also not sure the problem would be 0V rather than 55V), we could turn the defective unit off and turn the other on.

So yeah, Ve.direct would be nice, but remote on/off is still better than nothing.

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cwoody answered ·

I have been thinking about this for some time too, for a Van Build, so that all the chargers are synchronous. My thoughts were to use a DC to DC converter into an MPPT charger, something like a 12v to 48v DC to DC and then a MPPT 75/15. The DC to DC would just give power to the MPPT looking like a 48v Solar cell and the MPPT would talk with the GX and the other MPPT's/Multi to match the charge status as well as abide by the charge current limit.

Ive not tried this yet and it seems expensive (cost of a DC to DC and an MPPT) to just add the feature, but it could work, right? Only thing is it'll look like you are generating solar rather than using a 'gen set'.

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Not been able to find any better solutions on here, so I was wondering if you ever tried this. To get the 5v above 12v needed to go into a MPPT, I was thinking of a using a 12v-24v Orion Tr.
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wesser answered ·

I have been upgrading my van solar installation to Victron with an MPPT and a Smart Shunt and am now quite disappointed to find that the Orion devices do not integrate with the VE Direct devices.

Looks like I will be sticking with my Sterling B2B for the time being.

Come on Victron don't fail us, you've got some great products that just need VE Direct adding.

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essentia answered ·

It's been two year since everyone asked for integration of the Orion Smart tr with the Color Control GX, and Victron said it would be coming. How much longer will this be? I need this.

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Hi, A future new model of charge controller will feature a comms port.


Maybe/hopefully next year.

And for sure not the now shipping/already shipped hardware. It doesn’t measure output current, and can’t measure that either.

Thats the best I can give I’m afraid

Oh and meanwhile we’re also working on the option to install a SmartShunt and tell it that its measuring dc dc charger output rather than monitoring a battery. See Venus OS beta update notes for that
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Is there any progress with this option yet?
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How about just some simple new firmware so the existing Orion's can see the Bluetooth Battery Sense via the existing VE.Smart Networking?

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pepe1395 answered ·

Hi folks, news about a new firmware? Wake up Victron, let the Orion TR become as smart as your other products! Thank you very much and happy new year.

Ciao!

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While it might be nice for customers, Victron does not generally share details of development and R&D plans directly with us or in this forum. So the answer above from Matthijs is the best you will get, "some day yes, but not in the near future."


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w15p answered ·

I guess I'm not understanding how the information on Orion chargers available in the victron app (ios in my case) couldn't be made available to Venus/GX devices. It's very useful information (eg knowing that the charge is currently in "float") and is awkward to only be able to view it on the phone.


I understand that the hardware itself may not have all of the information that you might _want_ for a full integration, but simply making the data it has available over bluetooth would be a massive improvment.

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brezzi answered ·

any updates? i would like to get some orion in de next 3-4 months, will there be some VE Direct Version.

cheers

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bathnm answered ·

@brezzi I doubt you will see anything soon. While the device has a bluetooth interface to work with Victron Connect, it has no other interfaces that the Venus/GX devices can use to get information. There is no ve.direct ports. If all you want is current and voltage, then you might like to put a shunt in to measure what is happening.

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