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V-TAC LFP batteries, trying to source information

There's a new distributor of LFP batteries in Europe for a couple of months now, under the V-TAC brand. V-TAC was founded some 20 years ago at UAE and has a very strong presence in Europe, particularly eastern Europe and the UK. They've been hard into the LED and lighting business. They've recently started offering LFP batteries for solar projects, along with other energy bundles of dubious quality. I am interested in their 10kWh model (model name: AT48-200H or VT-12040), since I can source them locally for under €250/kWh and they come with a full 5-year warranty.


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According to the local distributor, the battery is made by Vestwoods, who are a quite well-known producer of batteries, however I haven't seen any in that form factor from them.

I am trying to figure out the model of their BMS and whether there is any chance of it getting along with an ESS GX setup, either officially or through Louis' excellent serial tool. Here's a photo of the BMS they are using, in case it rings any bells (searching for "CPES-BMS16S" online wouldn't produce any results):


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They have published lots of documentation on their website for all models, and there's also a compatibility chart that displays Victron among the compatible brands; it doesn't mention to what extent, though.

I would appreciate any additional information or insights.

Here's the manual, including communication ports pinout

VT-12040 - manual.pdf



Update [Feb, 2024]:

I have been working with this battery on a zero-feed system for almost a year. There have been a few firmware updates for the battery o far, now running on most recent version (v.1.048.088). I still haven't been able to identify the BMS manufacturer.

Battery seems nicely built, I particularly like the easy access to the cells, which is essential for a yearly manual top balance, since the BMS hasn't been doing a super great job so far (will have to see with the latest firmware version).

GX connectivity was definitely not trivial, since the directions on the manual were wrong, both for cabling as well as for settings. Please see discussion in this thread for more info. Finally managed to make it work.

BMS transfers CVL, CCL and DCL values to the GX device, which do work as intended. I'm actually quite pleased with the charging profile the BMS dictates to the System. Have a look at the following graph:

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An obvious issue is that the BMS over-reports all currents by about 10%, which is clear at the graph, and has been double-checked using a clamp meter. This results in SoC deviation, which really messes things up. I have only cycled the battery once since installing the latest BMS firmware, maybe it eventually gets hold of the correct values, although I wouldn't bet on it. I should probably get in touch with the manufacturer and ask for a way to calibrate the current readings. If anyone has a way to fiddle with the BMS settings through some software, please chime in below.

Otherwise, GX communications seems to be solid, reversed current flow reported by other users seems to have been corrected, and my battery charges all the way to 100%, although this could be a result of my manual top balancing a few weeks ago.

Another thing that's missing from the communication is the min/max cell voltage readings, which are nowhere to be found through the Remote Console.

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sawo1337 answered ·

Here is the pinout for the cable v-tac - victron. Took me some time to figure out because the manual supplied with the battery is not correct, they are showing front view of the rj45 connector where it needs to be top view otherwise you would be wiring the battery side in reverse. Also make sure that inverter type is 06 and switch 01 is on. After that, connect to the bms-can port of the Cerbo GX and you should see rx/tx packets going both directions immediately. Make sure your firmware is 2023 or newer, older versions may need to be upgraded (v-tac can send you the update file, you would also need usb to rs485 adapter)

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Tom h answered ·

I just installed 3 of these units.

Managed to come across of this piece of information. img-20230414-wa0006.jpg


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Tom h answered ·

I believe this is the pinout for the BMS. It was in the supplied installation documentation that came with the battery. It includes additional information then what I could find on their website.20230410-093146.jpg


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andre-godinho answered ·

Hi, I am having the same problem, battery shows reversed amps from the VRM portal, SOC and Voltage works. Adding batteries in parallel also works. You just have to change the address setting in the dip switches.

Mine works on the 02 Inverter code instead of the 04 as stated in their manual.

The original cable does not work, you have to make a corrected cable.

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Miroslav Todorov answered ·

Hi, can someone provide the Victron pin layout so I can make myself a corrected cable. Also which dip switch should I change in order to fix the inverse amps display.

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thanar answered ·

Finally managed to connect the V-TAC battery to the GX device, by using a cable as mentioned by @sawo1337 on this thread. Careful, "Inverter Type" should be set to "06" and NOT as "04" as per the battery documentation.

Still trying to decide whether it's better to have this battery connected over BMS-CAN, or leave it offline, as I had configured it previously. Will see how the SCS (Shared Current Sense) works at the top in the next couple of days, and make up my mind.

Main reason I wanted the battery connected to the GX was to be able to see the min/max cell voltages. Unfortunately, the battery does NOT share this information to the GX device.

Charge Current Limit (CCL) seems to be working properly, however seems like the Discharge Current Limit also lowers at high SoC which doesn’t make sense.

Also noticing that the current detection of the battery might be a bit off, will have to do additional reasearch.

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