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99% Offgrid - looking for charger for 48V batteries on multiplus II

Hello,

my setup

- 6x multiplus II 5000/48, 3 phase and 2 parall of each phase
- some batteries with 48V
- some MPPT RS 450/100
- Fronius Symo connected to the AC out of Multiplus

for 99% of the year thats ok

my public grid is very small, so i can only use below 16A for each phase.

if i connect the multiplusses to the public grid for charging in 1% of the year, always
the tiggers the fuse eached second try connecting it. i think the transformators in the multiplusses
are the reason. i always have reduced the power on AC in to 10A in the multiplus setup.

next small problem is, that i need for 1% of the year a anti-islanding box.

now my idea is to connect a 48V charger connected to the public grud direct to the batteries to charge them if the SoC is below 20% in winter. ideal would be a 3 phase charger. ~8 A input for each phase. so than i have ~ 5000W => max. charge current for 48V is round aboud 100A. That would be glad.

i would start the charger with the relay output of my gx device if SoC is below 20%.

does everyone know a charger that i can connect parallel to the DC 48V Bus ?

Thany you very much.

Thomas

Venus OSchargeroffgridmultplus
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Sebastian answered ·

The first thing that came to my mind was the Huawei R4850G2.
This can be fed with parameters via Can and the charging power can be set (has CC & CV).
However, it is only single-phase. If more power than 1.8 kW (230 V * 8 A) is required, several can be used.

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smueff1970 answered ·

I found that Vicron have SKYLLA-TG. 48V 50A single phase. adjusable with dip switches. i don't know if i can use 3 devices in parallel. normally by the most powersupplies i can do that if i wire the sense inputs from alle devices together.

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smueff1970 answered ·

My next idea is to use 3 multiplusII 3000/48 only als charger in parallel to the other multiplusII 5000/48. can that work ?

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Sebastian avatar image Sebastian commented ·
That can work, but it would be pricy
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the Huawei R4850G2 is cheaper, but i found no dealer in DE or EU.

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Sebastian avatar image Sebastian smueff1970 commented ·

Take a look at this Link: ebay

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smueff1970 answered ·

Another Idea:

Standard Power Supply 48V, Meanwell MW RSP 2400-48, Current 50A.
Adjust Voltage to max. 56 V.

Behind a small Victron SmartSolar or one with VE.Can => 100/70. Adjust Limit to 45A.

In this case its without any scripts direct in the Venus OS visible.

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approved-ok answered ·

NPB-1700-spec.pdf
SBP-001-spec.pdf

Erarbeite gerade eine Lösung, um meine Batterien 48V vom EV ( V2L ) aufzuladen und den Akku des KFZ's zu verwenden.
Würde dazu das Meanwell direkt an die 48V Schiene meiner beiden Batterien klemmen.

Den Anatz mit einem Victron SmartSolar mit VE.Can finde ich interessant, da dann die eingebrachte Energie im VRM auch dargestellt werden würde.
Funktioniert der MPPT auch bei einer DC-seitigen Spannung des Netzteilen ( z.b. 56V schon ?

Anlage:
Fronius Symo

Netzparallel 3xMultiplus , dahinter RS250 DC


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Sebastian avatar image Sebastian commented ·
Hinter einem Batterieladegerät würde ich keinen MPPT einsetzen, sonderen ehr den SmartShunt. Damit wird es auch im VRM dargestellt und Du kannst sogar einstellen, welche Energieart angezeigt werden soll.
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