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VE.Smart Orion-Tr Smart networking

Any update on VE.Smart networking for the Orion Smart Tr DC to DC chargers? I'll have an MPPT and two 30A DC to DC chargers and it would be excellent if they all knew each other on the same battery bank.


[moderator's note: edited to show "VE.Smart Networking" rather than "VE.Bus Networking"]

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I am waiting for news about this also... I could really use some more charge current from my current Orion but I am definitely not going to drop another $250 to parallelize when I still can't even see/control the Orion from my CCGX/venus/VRM.

However, I would absolutely drop money on a new DC/DC charger that had networking/venus/VRM integration.

Please Victron?

I know the community guidelines say that victron won't talk about new products here. could you at least tell us if this is something victron is even working on? Are we waiting for nothing? It seems to me like a major hole in victron's line, especially where a major draw to the victron ecosystem is the system-wide integration. Is there no demand? Am I missing something?

commenting to address moderator's note: "edited to show "VE.Smart Networking" rather than "VE.Bus Networking"


fair enough, obviously there is no way to add ve.bus ports to existing hardware. orion tr-smart only has bluetooth. so a secondary question: is there any hints anyone can give us that victron might please someday add a dc/dc charger to their product line with either ve.bus/ve.direct/ve.can onboard? please?


even if ve.smart integration came to existing orions via a firmware update, it's my understanding that still wouldn't bring them up to the level of integration present in MPPTs or multi's etc. in a venus system or a GX controlled/DVCC system. Am I wrong?

I think that adding VE.Smart networking would be fairly easy for them to add because it already exists over bluetooth for the SmartSolar controllers. My understanding is that the purpose for this is to synchronize/coordinate charging between all the devices so that they are all simultaneously in the one, same charge mode; and that they can share temp., voltage, and current sense information. I suspect that because the DC-DC chargers may have been ’hurried’ to market because it was a hole in their product line, that Victron hasn’t finished the necessary software coding, firmware updates and testing needed to include this feature.

Agreed. I was under the impression this would be one of the features already having bluetooth.

+1 for Victron to resolve


when I made this purchase it was unclear that “smart” simply meant that it would provide a status to an app, and not actually take any smart INPUTs, which is incredibly misleading and frustrating

Add me to the list of wanting this feature. Being limited to 6AWG wire is going to cause a voltage drop. Not being able to use the shunt to provide accurate voltage readings to the Orion is disappointing since it works with the solar chargers..... Ay updates to add this functionality?
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ecuashungo answered ·

I would love to see this feature as well, and it would be fairly easy via a firmware upgrade. I have a setup where a smart solar is hooked up in parallel with an Orion smart so I can use both to charge my battery. I don't dare to try to use both at the same time, but I imagine, that with the VE.smart networking it would be possible, which would facilitate the operation.
Hopefully we can get some news here.

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trollan answered ·

Agree I am waiting for a solution also - multiple charges to the same bank - EXCEPT this DC to DC charger... crazy

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sarahb answered ·

I too am waiting for a VE.Direct / Orion product to be released as well so that I can get a fully informed view on my Cerbo. System integration falls a long way short without this feature in the lineup! Please kind people at Victron put me out of my continued torment and anguish soon !

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marvs answered ·

I guess there are a bunch of us waiting. My thinking is that the charging profiles can be better coordinated and use a single battery SOC monitor (SmartShunt) to provide the battery SOC, temp, volatge, etc. to all devices that are charging the battery bank. I think this is even more desirable with the DC-DC chargers since they have to monitor their DC input status as well as what they are sending to the battery bank. Maybe it doesn’t matter in the long run to a battery bank with BMS but I like the idea of using my CCGX and/or bluetooth to know what’s going on.

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ironman answered ·

+1 for also waiting

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markbuilt answered ·

+1 waiting here too. I’d buy two Orion Tr 12/12 30A units if I new VE.Smart Network functionality was coming anytime soon. Does VE pay attention to customer requests like this?

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Gordon Clement answered ·

Honestly blows my mind a little bit that Victron's major value proposition is providing all the components for an integrated system around the GX family of devices/Venus OS/VRM Portal, and yet there is no solution for DC/DC charging that provides first class integration into that platform.

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frank-farrugia answered ·

And I'll add another to the waiting list, as I just added two 12/12/30's to my dual alternator truck

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pepe1395 answered ·

+1 for the waiting list

Ciao!

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xcurrent answered ·

How would I know when this is fixed? Waiting.....

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lorin answered ·

Come on Victron, at least give us something…..

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drlbradley answered ·

add me to the list of customers waiting for this.

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eupeixoto answered ·

Im also waiting for this ....

we can keep an eye on this website.. https://www.victronenergy.com/live/victronconnect:beta


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yuwire answered ·

This states victron connect integration? Could it connect to the ground via Bluetooth?


https://www.victronenergy.com/dc-dc-converters/orion-tr-smart

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Martin Keogh answered ·

VE.Smart Networking for Blue Smart Charger and Orion Smart Tr DC to DC charger.
I was just about to purchase two of these Victron devices but I have cancelled the order (NZD$849.00) as the local agent says that they don't connect to the VE.Smart Network!
I know for a fact that the Blue Smart Charger (version dependant) does!
I like the product but Come on Victron, I will not spend any more on your product until this is sorted!

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Great job. The threshold we need to meet for Victron to redesign a product is NZD$999.00. If you could place another order and cancel it that would be a big help.

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Philip Barclay answered ·

I am in a similar situation to @Martin Keogh , I was about to order a bunch of Victron items including; a Smart Solar MPPT charger, Smart Battery Sense, and an Orion-TR Smart DC/DC converter. These are all for in a van with a LiFePO4 battery and will likely be in sub-zero conditions. When I first looked at these items I assumed they would all be VE.Smart compatible given the 'Smart' in their names, but alas, not for the Orion-TR. I am now reconsidering my options and since I will only have partial integration with a Victron solution I might as well save a bit of money and use other brands.

Please Victron, update the Orion-TR to support VE.Smart.

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joeccv answered ·

Victron is losing a lot of Orions to the Renogy DC to DC charger over this. For one, it provides 60 amps of charge current, which you'd need two Orions to provide. Take away the ability to speak to the shunt and it becomes harder and harder to justify the Orion...

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zac answered ·

also wanting VRM integration for the Orion-tr series.

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Noisy Boysie answered ·

thats anoying...I just ordered one for my motorhome...guess i'll cancle then :( as no BT smart networking no idea how it will all react to the already insalled MPPTs while driving in the sun. disapointed SMART doesnt mean smart

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p-rhodan answered ·

The same is true for me. Have MPPT Smart Solar, Smart Shunt and Venus OS on RPI.


Currently I use a Votronic 1212-30 charge booster which I would like to replace with an Orion Smart Tr. but due to the lack of VE.smart network support I will not.

I unfortunately do not get the communication between MPPT solar controller, Smartshunt and Orion because of this. Too bad, too bad, too bad....

I thought Victron is a premium manufacturer and understands what the customer wants. Seems not to be so.

Sometimes I can not understand the marketing and product development at companies


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Philip Barclay answered ·

To me it seems the Orion-TR was a product rushed to market with many features removed to improve delivery time and/or price point. Then when the marketing dept got hold of it they slapped the 'smart' label on it even though this is inconsistent with the work usage on other products.

The result of this is a product that looks good on the website, but rather misleading to users and setting them up for failure. You don't need to look far to find many mentions of people ordering these with the wrong assumptions about product features.

@p_rhodan Depending on your level of keenness there might be a way of at least extracting some numbers from the Orion-TR using this: https://github.com/birdie1/victron But even with that you wont get the output current, seems the hardware inside the Orion cannot measure that. Also doesn't help with coordinated charging between various devices.

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ironman answered ·

Any update from Victron on this? I’ve been holding off buying a B2B charger hoping for an updated version of the Orion but refuse to pay for “smart” features if they’re not actually smart and integrate with the rest of the system. Ill be looking for other options from Renogy etc if this doesn’t appear soon.

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