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Visio stencils for Victron products

Hi all, does any body know if Victron have made stencils for Visio for their Victron Products?

Or if any body else made it and made it free to use.

It makes lite so much easier when making my schematics.

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Yes we have these.

I will find out the exact policy for use and get back to you.

vetobus avatar image vetobus Guy Stewart (Victron Community Manager) ♦♦ ·

Great !! Any news?


Paul B avatar image Paul B Guy Stewart (Victron Community Manager) ♦♦ ·

interested as well and some sample designs would be nice as well

I am interested in those also.

Pat

Hello all,

I'm new to this forum. I was also looking for Visio stencils and had no luck finding them. So I'm paying someone on Upwork to go through the PDF's and manually create icons for draw.io vs. Visio. Draw.io ( now Diagrams.net) is cloud-based and free. It's also a great way to collaborate on diagrams.

This being said. I'll attach the XML icons for free for everyone to use. They are not perfect but I'll continue to have them improved. I was hoping that someone could assist me in building a system for my Meridian 459 Motor Yacht.


Here's the public version of the drawing I created: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1_cgSoFykH7BRqq-ECAIdWs_vHTshDzvJ


Here's the link to the XML stencil icons extracted from Victron PDF documents:


https://drive.google.com/open?id=1L_dxgf-cquCFIR0tncsziaa8h54rxXhX


Feel free to download and share :). You will have to import the .XML file in draw.io that's it. Please direct message me if you think you can help with providing some guidance on my project - I would really appreciate it.


Don

San Francisco, CA


I'll continue to provide updated stencils for free as I get them. Again, it would be nice if Victron would just provide these for free.

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Guy Stewart (Victron Community Manager) avatar image

I have asked several people, several times and continue to lobby for this.

One potential point of resistance is that if we release the full set, it somewhat diminishes the ‘reliability’ of those diagrams that appear to be from Victron, in our style, but without the usual oversight, etc.

I understand this, but also disagree that this should prevent access, and am looking at other options for ‘certified’ diagrams that people can trust come from the manufacturer, other than just the use of the graphical style.

It is possible for distributors to get a copy today if they request access from their Victron sales managers. This isn’t full public access, but it is a path ward for some of you perhaps.

Please keep asking as demand and interest helps in this case.

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Maybe release only the product stencils on Victron professional. It will help the distributors and installers in planning and presenting the system scheme quickly and easily

I am finding myself in the position of becoming a client "Design Consultant" for who is not affiliated with any recognized Victron Dealer. Dealers seem to be concerned primarily with moving product in as much volume as possible, and often refuse to exert necessary research to develop net new use cases of system implementation and design.

I understand the reluctance to release "official" stencil diagrams, and more importantly, functional block diagrams showing the connection of each feature on a device.

However, the impasse of dealers to perform actual engineering verification and validation work beyond that which is profitable for them, for systems they are unfamiliar with, or perhaps their 80th percentile customers, presents an issue.

This issue is that now consultants and engineering experts have no acceptable way to execute net novel system implementations except through the dealer "cartel" and the expansion of Victron into new use cases and therefore new potential markets is restricted.

Victron has effectively handed control of a large segment of consulting, engineering design and verification to a third party who may not have Victron's best interest in mind.

Releasing functional block diagrams and official stencils will go a long way towards expanding the adaptation of Victron components in the market.

Hi, Any sort of tools (wiring diagram creation tools, stencils, CAD, etc) would be helpful. Tell management it will help sell their products. That might get their attention. :-)

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Hello all,

I'm new to this forum. I was also looking for Visio stencils and had no luck finding them. So I'm paying someone on Upwork to go through the PDF's and manually create icons for draw.io vs. Visio. Draw.io ( now Diagrams.net) is cloud-based and free. It's also a great way to collaborate on diagrams.

This being said. I'll attach the XML icons for free for everyone to use. They are not perfect but I'll continue to have them improved. I was hoping that someone could assist me in building a system for my Meridian 459 Motor Yacht.


Here's the public version of the drawing I created: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1_cgSoFykH7BRqq-ECAIdWs_vHTshDzvJ


Here's the link to the XML stencil icons extracted from Victron PDF documents:


https://drive.google.com/open?id=1L_dxgf-cquCFIR0tncsziaa8h54rxXhX


Feel free to download and share :). You will have to import the .XML file in draw.io that's it. Please direct message me if you think you can help with providing some guidance on my project - I would really appreciate it.


Don

San Francisco, CA



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Hello all just updated the shapes ( icon ) XML file with more items. If you don't find icons that you need and are not there, please send me the URL's to PDFs that you want to be extracted and I'll have the icons extracted and converted for free - for now :)

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1L_dxgf-cquCFIR0tncsziaa8h54rxXhX


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Thank you very much dsdon!

This is exactly what I wanted to do ... (integrate Victon icons in Drawio)

If I can contribute: Where did you find the "flat" device icons (drawn and not seen in the photo)? I would like to add other devices but I don't know where to find these icons ...

Thanks in advance,
David

Hi David, for victron energy icons how i gonna open from visio ? Can you help me is possible Please.

Thank you very much dsdon, i download but doesn't work. Can you convert for me visio (vssx) is possible please. Thanks again.

@dsdon, I'm curious as to why you're showing the Cyrix and the Orion going to the Quattro instead of the batteries, and also why there isn't a start battery shown on the other side of the Cyrix?

I realize you perhaps just ran out of room, but it's rather critical to note that A., the Cyrix connects to batteries on both sides, not any other devices, and B. that the Quattro battery connections are not busbars, there should be nothing else connected to them other than the battery connections.

dsdon avatar image dsdon Justin Cook - Bay Marine Supply USA ♦ ·

Justin,


Thanks for your feedback. To be honest, I'm not a pro at this and just gave it a shot. It's hard to find someone willing to do this - even Victron distributors have not returned calls. So I figured I would do my best to start piecing this together. This is also why I'm looking to crowdsource help online - mainly yacht cruiser forums from folks who have also deployed similar solutions. I figured if I can get the icons out there for free and use this cloud-based open-source approach might be able to make progress. So thanks again for your feedback. I'll do more research and continue to tweak the layout :)

Sure, no worries... I work for a distributor myself, and we do indeed do "component interaction diagrams" for customers that are issued with their system orders, but we find that a lot of people want free diagrams without understanding that A. they take a lot of time and effort, and B. no single diagram is going to be applicable for everyone... Schematics should be per-installation, since every system is a little different.

We also take great care not to label them "system schematics" because a true schematic should take into account the installation architecture, which requires in-person inspection and load calculation and a lot of other elements that only an installer should be handling, which is probably a lot of the disconnect people are seeing. Many distributors are not installers (us, for example) and don't do in-person inspections, so simply cannot responsibly issue a schematic that isn't based on the real-world.

Honestly I think that's best, as it opens up another market for system consultants and installers - particularly since Victron products should be -and are indeed designed to be- professionally-installed by Victron-trained DC systems installers, not by the end-user.

OzJeff avatar image OzJeff Justin Cook - Bay Marine Supply USA ♦ ·

I to work for a distributor and the same problem. So many are DIY'ers that want you to spend hours working it out for them for free, then just go online and buy from the cheapest supplier. Then when they get zero support from them, call you back up and want more free help from install to ongoing support. Hmmm maybe we should be called Victron Charity Centres. Funnily enough we do offer a paid consult/design service yet very few want to pay.


@dsdon - great idea of using draw.io (I'm a Mac user so miss out on Visio these days when wanting to muck around at home on ideas)

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High res photos from Victron web, insert connection points where needed, then connect, easy as that, results like thisBiancospino LiHE wiring.pdf


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I would have placed an order for a Quattro / 1,000AH LFP solution, months ago, if I could just find someone to propose a thoroughly designed solution, with accurate diagrams. With Dealers unable or unwilling to provide documentation, it seems that we must hire consultants for solution design. The market need for design consultants is obvious, and should include the ability to create accurate well-labeled diagrams.


Bring on the Visio templates, p l e a s e .

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Hi, has there been any movement on this?

I find myself drawing my own blocks in QElectroTech so I can build wiring diagrams for installations. It would be fantastic to have not only Visio stencils, but cad engineering blocks available with the various connections labeled, by product.

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As a suggestion, place the vector blocks (dxf, stencils, something!) in your dropbox section of professional.victronenergy.com site. That way the blocks can be updated and easy to sync/work with!

If possible will you be able to share the blocks in QElectroTech ? may be the community can build upon it since the the source " QElectroTech " is also freeware

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I just used the pictures from the picture library and connectors makes it easier for non technical persons to identify the equipment


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@Anil Ghatikar, the BatteryProtect used in this diagram will absolutely fail, as it is expressly forbidden to use a BP inline with an inverter/charger, or indeed an inverter at all.

Please see the BatteryProtect user manuals (updated) for proper connection methods.

nebulight avatar image nebulight Justin Cook - Bay Marine Supply USA ♦ ·

And this is why Victron doesn't want to give out stencils ;)

@nebulight pretty much... at least with people doing diagrams this way, it's super obvious that they're doing it, without any blessing or oversight from Victron.

Personally, though I'd love stencils like people are asking for, I fully understand why they're not freely available.

Also, I realize this guy's post was about a year ago so it's not really relevant, but it seemed like a good thing to have on record for other people coming here and looking at that schematic and thinking to maybe copy it.

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Please release visio stencils. Im thinking of building a complete new system on my boat and need to build drawings first. It will be complex. And for that i need your stencils.

I don't understand why you hold back!?

It would be in your interest to release them. Many of your customers, or future customers, need to build there own work drawings.

Im planning to spend allot of money on Victron products...

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Any further news/Update on this. I really don't see the issue here. numerous OEM's have developed icons of their products for use in Visio and make them publicly available, Cisco, HP to name a few. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=OEM+visio+stenciles

To protect Victron official diagrams. Place a copyright water mark. Use ISO quality procedures to manage version control (register the diagram internally within Victron) Make the database of registered diagrams publicly available in view only mode, to enable validations that it is a official Victron diagram.

Just a thought.

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Is there any news on getting a victron visio stencil?

Couldn't find it in the dropbox yet.

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Sebastian W. avatar image

Anything new?

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Bump! Any news?

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@Guy Stewart (Victron Energy Staff)

Hi Guy


Any news on this?


Regards

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Thanks, but I was hoping that Victron had a complete set of stencils all really made, containing all relays and products. And yes I have made stencil from pictures before.

Hi Vetobus,

Your request has triggered a review inside Victor of the best way to handle this going forward.

I hope to be able to report the full plan publicly shortly. I am very excited about it.

vetobus avatar image vetobus Guy Stewart (Victron Community Manager) ♦♦ ·

Great news, thanks Guy.

georgelza avatar image georgelza Guy Stewart (Victron Community Manager) ♦♦ ·

Any update?

I made some stencils in Visio... by using picture grabs and then importing into Visio, does not look professional enough for me, I'd also love to get access to the stencils so that I can document my installation x10000 nicely.

G

There is still some internal resistance to a full public release.

If you have contact with a Victron Sales Manager, they are able to give individual access on a case by case basis.

I will continue to look for ways to address the concerns hopefully reach public access. While also improving the clarity around the authorised/validated diagrams.

I am very happy there is so much interest.

georgelza avatar image georgelza Guy Stewart (Victron Community Manager) ♦♦ ·

Our local sales guys don't really do proposals. the market here in SA is currently so busy if you ask this it is seen as effort and they move onto the other100 people wanting a system, current over demand has seriously impacted service given to customers, across the board.

This is more me, wanting to document what I have, with correct, high quality stencils (and similar other Victron owners here in ZA).

G

I am interested..