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2 multiplus II with 2 different ac inputs

i connected 2x multiplus II to some battery's and wanted to use these like a quattro.

but when i connect 1 of the multi's to the ac inputs, the inverter goes in overload

Multiplus-IIMultiPlus Quattro Inverter Charger
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Matthias Lange - DE answered ·

Can you make a schematic or some pictures of your setup?

Make sure that you didn't mixed up AC IN and AC OUT.

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buurte avatar image buurte commented ·

I checked the connections 3 times. It starts charging for 1 second and switches off. If I disconnect the ve bus and than start charging it works

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buurte avatar image buurte buurte commented ·

i thought this was right

2 inverters in 2 different ac inputs (1 inverter- 1 input)

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duivert avatar image duivert buurte commented ·
are the 2 different AC inputs on the same phase?
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buurte avatar image buurte duivert commented ·
yes this is just a testing setup but eventualy i want to make it 3 phase
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duivert avatar image duivert buurte commented ·

do they have the same firmware version?

did you follow this guide?

https://www.victronenergy.com/live/ve.bus:manual_parallel_and_three_phase_systems

essentially your creating a parallel setup if they are on the same phase

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buurte avatar image buurte duivert commented ·

i updated the firmware to the 2 multi's but still the same problem.

and yes i looked at that guide

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duivert avatar image duivert buurte commented ·
Did do all the steps and instructions including right way of wiring? Looks like a wiring/config issue
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duivert avatar image duivert buurte commented ·
As @Matthias Lange - DE allready asked, can you share a drawing of your system? And specify what your equipment is that your using?
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buurte avatar image buurte duivert commented ·

input-multi.jpg

this is the input multi

output-multi.jpg

and this is the output multi.

these are connected with a ve bus cable

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buurte avatar image buurte buurte commented ·
i found my issue. when you dont connect your outputs together when you want to charge the other multi goes in overload.
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Kevin Windrem answered ·

When Multis/Quattros are connected in parallel, ALL inputs and outputs must be paralleled with equal length cables. The master unit controls both it and all slaves: invert/charge mode and the amount of power to pass through the inverter/charger core. The result is nearly identical power flow in both master and slave.

If the master has an AC source, then it will set both units to charger mode but the slave has no AC input and will fail. If the master has no AC source, then it will set both units to invert but the slave unit has an AC input which might not be ignored. This too would cause a failure.


What you need to do is wire both units in parallel (all ins and outs), then install a transfer switch ahead of the AC input of the pair of Multis. The external transfer switch can then choose the desired AC input source.

There is no way to use separate AC sources simultaneously.

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buurte answered ·

Yeah I get that. What I really want to do is 1 multi a dedicated charger and the other only inverter. But connected with 1 vebus to a Ekrano, so the battery can limit the charging and discharge current through dvcc.

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Kevin Windrem avatar image Kevin Windrem commented ·
For starters, program each Multi as a single unit and do not interconnect AC inputs or outputs. Just a common battery connection.


But, there is no logic to recognize one Multi as charger and one as inverter. One will be chosen as "THE" Multi displayed on the GUI and used for system calculations while the other won't be shown on the flow page at all. I don't know if the "other" unit will be involved any DVCC calculations. I also don't think there is a way to choose which Multi is chosen as "THE" Multi.

It may be that connecting one unit via the dedicated VE.Bus connection on Ekrano and the other via a VE.Bus to USB dongle might be necessary and might provide a choice of "THE" Multi. But I'm guessing.

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buurte avatar image buurte Kevin Windrem commented ·
I tried in the beginning with only the batteries connected and then everything works fine. But with only 1 multi connected to ac in the other unit trips in overload. Bit when connecting the outputs together everything works fine again. The only problem is i don't want a connection between the outputs. I want the IN an OUT isolated from each other.
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