Orion DC-DC to SmartSolar Configuration

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darrendesilva asked Sep 11, '22

Orion DC-DC to SmartSolar Configuration

Problem: My engine battery drains while camping because of all the door lights staying on when doors are open.

Solution: Use Orion-Tr to trickle charge the engine battery when SmartSolar nears complete charge on my house battery.

How to hook this up?

Image 1: Direct to Load output of MPPT. I understand this might not work due to high in-rush of Orion. I plan to de-rate the Orion to 8 amps or something small to trickle the engine battery.

Image 2: Use the Remote on/off (LH) switch ports of the Orion. Is this how it is configured? " the H terminal (right) of the two-pole connector can be switched to battery plus, or the L terminal (left) of the two pole connector can be switched to battery minus"

So, then the load output of the SmartSolar triggers the switch of the Orion.

*If it's not clear in the diagram, the L port is connected to nothing, the H port to the Load+ port of SmartSolar. Orion input + to house battery.

Image 3: The Orion isolated 12/12-18 is cheaper than the non-isolated 12/12-30, is it fine to use the isolated 12/12-18 in a non-isolated environment? I suspect it's fine. I really don't need 30 amps either, and 30 amps is the smallest non-isolated smart Orion.

Thanks for your feedback.

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klim8skeptic ♦ commented · Sep 12, 2022 at 12:35 AM

You cannot connect the battery negative and the load negative together on the mppt.

The load output of the mppt is not rated for the current the dc2dc charger requires.

You can connect the mppt load output to the dc2dc h/l remote input.

Figure 3 is fubar.

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darrendesilva klim8skeptic ♦ commented · Sep 12, 2022 at 08:56 PM

Thanks for the reply. Based on your feedback:

Image 4, direct connect dc2dc to house battery, and the MPPT load output to h/l remote input. I think that is correct?

Image 5, not sure what happened to Image 3 labels... So redone and applied feedback, this is that isolated dc2dc Orion in a non-isolated system, and now configured with the mppt load output to l/h switch on dc2dc. This is the unit I want to use based on cost and low amp application to trickle charge engine battery.

So, appreciate your feedback on the above. Thanks.

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klim8skeptic ♦ darrendesilva commented · Sep 12, 2022 at 11:30 PM

Looking better. :)

You only need the Load + to connect to the remote H.

It might be better to use a separate "house" fuse for the mppt and dc2dc.

Just a note to add, you cannot dial down the current on the dc2dc chargers.

@Sarah made a good point regarding the Cyrix.

You could also use a Bluesolar PWM Duo charge controller

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darrendesilva klim8skeptic ♦ commented · Sep 13, 2022 at 03:44 AM

Thanks.

Noted about the fuse.

Interesting one cannot dial down the Orion. It’s possible with the smartSolar charger.

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Answer 1 · 2022-09-12T22:51:38Z

Sarah answered · Sep 12, 2022 at 10:51 PM

@darrendesilva have you considered using a Cyrix battery combiner. This can allow for bidirectional charging which may be more versatile and less expensive than an Orion based install.

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darrendesilva commented · Sep 12, 2022 at 11:23 PM

This solution will not work. Both batteries have different chemistries. Thanks though.

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Sarah darrendesilva commented · Sep 12, 2022 at 11:50 PM

@darrendesilva yes different battery chemistries can complicate the situation. I am on a catamaran and have lithium House and AGM enginge and generator batteries and use an isolated 12/18 Orion (with a three-way arfoget isolator connecting to each of the battery banks) for the same reason.

Instead of using the remote input to control the Orion I use the engine detection feature. From from memory it is set to start charging at ~.5 volts above the float voltage and to stop at .2 volts under the float voltage.

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darrendesilva Sarah commented · Sep 13, 2022 at 03:49 AM

Thanks. You are right I could just let the Orion switch itself based on house battery voltage. It’s more simple.

I have a lithium house, and lead acid start battery.

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Answer 2 · 2022-09-13T02:51:41Z

kevgermany answered · Sep 13, 2022 at 02:51 AM

Just a thought. Maybe starter battery charging should be prioritised over house.

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darrendesilva commented · Sep 13, 2022 at 03:52 AM

Thanks for the input.

I prioritize cold beer over starting the engine. That’s just me.

Have a lithium jump pack when engine battery drains, but this upgrade will fix it all with excess solar, and I won’t have to redesign the system.

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