Lynx BMS Overheating while charging

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pommesfrites asked Feb 12, '23

Lynx BMS Overheating while charging

Lynx Smart BMS is overheating with 12V 300A charge from alternators for 30 minutes.

I'm getting a BMS internal temperature too high alarm via bluetooth in Victron App. I have 2x 250A alternators regulated to a max of 150A each. Clamp amp meter confirms 300 Amps headed to a 600ah battery setup. In theory, I should be able to get pretty close to charging 50% of capacity in 1 hour. In reality, the BMS is overheating in about 25 minutes.

1) Has anyone upgraded heat dissipation? I'm thinking of adding a heat sink, or possibly using a PC computer's liquid cool system to transfer heat away from bms installation.

2) Does anyone know the temperature at which the BMS internal heat alarm signals? I will test with laser thermometer next time, but would love to know the spec, which isn't in the published manuals.

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Stefanie (Victron Energy Staff) ♦♦ commented · Feb 12, 2023 at 03:27 PM

Are there consumers that discharge the battery at the same time (adds to the total current that flows through the contactor)?

Have you checked if the internal fan is running?

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pommesfrites Stefanie (Victron Energy Staff) ♦♦ commented · Feb 12, 2023 at 06:52 PM

No, The consumers are on the right side of the BMS, along with the alternators. So, any of that current would be direct alternator->battery protect->consumers, and not be going through the contactor. The fans are running.

The current running through the contactor is 300A. I can't actually get the current measuring clamp around it, but given that each of the three batteries measures at 100amps inbound current, and no consumers are on the left side of the lynx, it's seems very unlikely that more charge is diverting through the contactor. Furthermore, the shunt measures ~295 amps, which is within 1% of my independent measurement.

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klim8skeptic ♦ pommesfrites commented · Feb 12, 2023 at 08:15 PM

Is the fan in the BMS running?

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pommesfrites klim8skeptic ♦ commented · Feb 13, 2023 at 12:44 AM

Yes, the fans turn on when the BMS gets above the threshold temp. I think it's 35 degrees C.

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Stefanie (Victron Energy Staff) ♦♦ pommesfrites commented · Feb 12, 2023 at 08:35 PM

Ok, then I'm curious about the measured temperatures, ambient and also that of the PCB and the busbar (check they are properly flush) inside the Lynx Smart BMS. I'll try to find out the threshold for the high temperature alarm.

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pommesfrites Stefanie (Victron Energy Staff) ♦♦ commented · Feb 12, 2023 at 10:30 PM

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pommesfrites pommesfrites commented · Feb 13, 2023 at 12:44 AM

Ambient temperature is high, but not terrible. 35 degrees C. I'll need to wait for the boat to go in the water in 5 weeks to test the temp of various parts of the BMS.

The most obvious passive solution is a heat sink. I need to test where heat is, but I would imagine positive buss bar is the best location. I could also blow cool air onto it, but that's a more involved system.

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Stefanie (Victron Energy Staff) ♦♦ pommesfrites commented · Feb 13, 2023 at 08:08 PM

Yes, as a sailor I know how warm it can get in the boat.

The warning threshold is 70°C (inside the BMS) and we're pretty confident this is due to either a poor busbar connection or poorly crimped cable lugs. The resulting heat is then distributed over all busbars up to the BMS.

I suggest looking at each connection, checking that the busbar are mounted absolutely flush (check mounting torque) and measuring the voltage drop across all connections when charging at this rate and check with a Laser infrared thermometer.

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pommesfrites Stefanie (Victron Energy Staff) ♦♦ commented · Feb 14, 2023 at 05:31 AM

I'll check all connections and look for a voltage drop in a few weeks when the boat is back in the water.

It sounds like Victron's expectation is that 300Amps for 1 hour should be fine, even with an elevated ambient temperature, which is good news.

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Stefanie (Victron Energy Staff) ♦♦ pommesfrites commented · Feb 14, 2023 at 02:28 PM

And it's also worth checking that the heat shrink is perfectly trimmed on all cable lugs so the heat shrink doesn't accidentally get clampled between cable lug and busbar.

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oldchubbyknuckle commented · Feb 05 at 01:26 AM

Any update on this? Was it poor connections on the bus bar or lugs?

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pommesfrites answered · Feb 05 at 03:12 AM

I tested this this thoroughly, and become convinced it was not fasteners or cable crimps. I used a laser thermometer and carefully checked the temps on either side of each connection, looking for a delta. I could find none.

In the end, I decided that it must have been some unknown combination of the ambient temperature, a loose connection, or undersized alternator cabling. I rewired the alternators with 000 cables, and moved the batteries and bms to another location. I created all the new cable lugs and precisely torqued the fasteners.

Some combination of those solutions solved the problem. The bms doesn’t heat up past 40c, even when charging at 300 amps for an hour.

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