Which wire for PV to Smart Solar 75/15 to Battery?

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oscarmax asked Jan 4, '20

Which wire for PV to Smart Solar 75/15 to Battery?

Please excuse my grammar I have suffered a brain injury

My setup will be 2 x80w mono solar panels with Victron Smart Solar MPPT 75/15 to 12 v battery, this should produce in theory 9 amp maximum.

I have fitted a new Smart Solar 75/15, I going to fit my new Smart Battery Sense, the original factory wiring from my old PWM control to battery is 4 metres long in 2.5mm twin core wiring, based on 9 amp this setup will have a voltage loss of 4.08%.

I have read somewhere that the Smart Solar will automatically compensate for this loss or do I need to change the wiring to 4.5mm.

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Answer 1 · 2020-01-04T12:49:18Z

JohnC answered · Jan 04, 2020 at 12:49 PM

Hi Oscar. Your grammar is fine.

At the nominal 12V, 160W of panel is closer to 13A. Over 4m distance, and both ways, no point mucking about.

Your 75/15 has terminals specced for 6mm2 wire for good reason. That's what I'd use, perhaps with a 20A fuse on the +ve one to protect them.

And oh, 'auto wire' often is specced including the plastic insulation, so be wary of that. And if you have a solar shop or electrician with some twin-core outdoor 'solar wire', 6mm2 is a stock size, highly insulated, and rugged as hell..

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Answer 2 · 2020-01-04T14:21:16Z

oscarmax answered · Jan 04, 2020 at 02:21 PM

John I am a bit confused my 80w mono solar panels are only rated @ 4.49amp each, 2 x 4.49= 8.98amp?

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nigelfxs commented · Jan 04, 2020 at 02:54 PM

Hi Oscar

The Smart Solar MPPT 75/15 transforms the 18V @ 9A (approximately) from the solar panels to the lower battery voltage (e.g. 12.3V @ 13A). This boost in output current is the main advantage of using an "MPPT" type of solar charger compared to the cheaper "PWM" type of charger.

I agree with John that you should use thicker wire between the MPPT and the battery to reduce your losses.

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JohnC ♦ commented · Jan 04, 2020 at 02:56 PM

Your panel ratings are for the panels, not the batts. So a single 80W panel @ 4.49A = 17.8V. That should match the panel 'Vmp' rating. Does it?

To stretch your confusion, I'd recommend you wire those panels in series rather than parallel, giving you 4.49A @ twice the Vmp, 35.6V. Still 160W, hey. They'll work better in low light that way, so overall better performance.

Your 75/15 is a good match, and 6mm2 wire to the batts would make for a perfect installation.

It's the A on either side of the mppt that varies, depending on the V there. Keep asking if you need more help understanding this. The beauty of mppt at work..

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oscarmax JohnC ♦ commented · Jan 04, 2020 at 03:39 PM

Thankyou for the explanation yes I going to wire up in series, looks like I need some 6mm2 wire.

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klim8skeptic ♦ oscarmax commented · Jan 04, 2020 at 06:46 PM

Hi Oscar,

Just check your figures before you buy any more cable Voltage drop calculator.

The smart battery sense is used to compensate for voltage drop between the mppt and battery. It also gives the mppt the battery temperature for the mppt to do temp compensation.

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oscarmax klim8skeptic ♦ commented · Jan 05, 2020 at 02:20 PM

Fitted the Smart battery sense to my caravan this morning, set up the network, now it is measuring battery temperature and voltage.

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oscarmax klim8skeptic ♦ commented · Jan 20, 2020 at 04:17 PM

I just had a good look in the caravan they have used a 4 metre length of 2mm2 thinwall wire, I think this is rated at 25 amps, will the smart battery sense compensate for the 4.52% voltage drop.

It looks like a nightmare to run a new section of wire

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oscarmax oscarmax commented · Jan 20, 2020 at 06:21 PM

Just had a brainwave I think, If I move the Smart Solar controller much nearer the battery under caravan seat, I could then use the existing 4 metres of 2mm2 wire @ 24v and 4.49amp, this would give me a lose of 0.3 v and 1.2% voltage drop?

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klim8skeptic ♦ oscarmax commented · Jan 20, 2020 at 07:34 PM

This is a good idea. Use nice thick wires between the mppt and battery.

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oscarmax klim8skeptic ♦ commented · Jan 20, 2020 at 07:47 PM

I got some thinwall 4.5mm2 wire, (I brought a 5 metre length, but now realise I will have to remove the fridge freezer and gas connection) which should do the job, moving the solar controller to under the caravan seat will be less than 8 -9 inches of my busbar/batteries.

Will my SmartSolar Bluetooth still work if located under the seat

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oscarmax klim8skeptic ♦ commented · Jan 20, 2020 at 08:06 PM

I now have 5 metres of 4.5mm2 twin core thinwall wire never mind it will come in handy. I also have some 6mm2.

I new proposed location is within 8 - 9 inches from the busbars/12v caravans battery, plus much closer to my battery sense.

Will my SmarSolar Bluetooth function still work if located under the caravan upholstered seat?

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klim8skeptic ♦ oscarmax commented · Jan 21, 2020 at 04:38 AM

Hi Oscar,

The BT should be good for 3-5 meters or so. Wood and foam seat should not cut that down too much.

Keep a little space around the mppt for heat to escape.

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oscarmax klim8skeptic ♦ commented · Jan 21, 2020 at 07:18 PM

I have plenty clear ventilated space, why I did not relocate the MPPT near the battery instead of leaving in the original manufacture location?

One thing I have notice the caravan manufacture had wire up the original solar controller wrong, the terminal for the battery was connected to the solar panel, and the solar connection to the battery, amazingly it still worked, not well but it work. What a crude piece of equipment.

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Answer 3 · 2020-01-20T20:33:06Z

oscarmax answered · Jan 20, 2020 at 08:33 PM

I have some 4,5mm2 and 6mm2 wire, the new proposed position should be within 8-9 inches of the battery and battery sense.

However relocating the MPPT under the caravan upholstered seat may affect the Bluetooth function..

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spirou commented · Jan 20, 2020 at 08:37 PM

It won't. I can connect to all bt gear in my van (under the bench) from inside the house 10m away.

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oscarmax spirou commented · Jan 20, 2020 at 08:39 PM

Thankyou for you quick resopnce

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