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Solar and Wind Priority configuration question and issue

I finally decided to try the new Solar and Wind priority feature that Victron offers with the MP/Quattro inverter chargers. I have watched all of Victron's videos and read all the documentation. There is still one question I have that I couldn't find the answer to. When you are using multiple inverter chargers, do all of them have to have the solar and wind priority setting activated or just the primary one for the feature to work?

Here is some information about my system. It consists of two Quattro 5KVA inverter chargers programmed in split phase. They are connected to a Cerbo GX for monitoring and control. I also have a VE-Bus smart dongle connected to them. The rest of my system includes three MPPTs (two 150/70s and one 150/100) connected to 3390 watts of solar, 1080 amp hours of Battle Born batteries at 12 volt, a 1000 amp Smartshunt for battery monitoring and a 500 amp Smartshunt for DC load monitoring. Additionally, I have a Phoenix 12/1200 inverter dedicated to one circuit in my RV (the residential refrigerator). All of these devices are also connected to the Cerbo via VE Direct and VE Direct to USB cables.

Yesterday (2/16/24), I enabled the solar and wind priority feature on both Quattros. I set the sustain voltage to 13 volts on both units as the Victron documentation recommends for Lithium batteries. I enabled the feature through VE Bus System Configurator and uploaded the configuration file to the Quattros through the VRM remote configure feature. The Quattros accepted the new programming without issue.

The Quattros are in my RV that was plugged into 50 amp shore power and my battery bank was already at 100% at the time the programming was updated. The system immediately went into a charge cycle (which is typical when the inverter chargers are reset). I thought the Quattros would shortly after go into Sustain mode once they sensed the batteries were already at 100% SOC.

I checked the Quattros in the device list on my Cerbo and saw the new menu item for the Sustain mode called "Charging the battery to 100%" was present. This menu item showed "In progress" rather than giving me the option to activate the item manually. The red bar was also added to the left side of the battery icon on the main GUI page of my Cerbo and it showed the two white arrows pointing up like the system was trying to fully charge my batteries. I assumed the system was attempting to start the batteries at 100% SOC before it went into sustain mode. I left the system to do its thing and came back to it today (2/17/24 approximately 20 hours later) to see what it was doing. My Quattros were still charging the batteries. They were in float mode, but the system voltage being shown by the battery Smartshunt was showing absorption voltage for some reason. (It was a rainy day with full cloud cover at the time I checked the system. I did not look at what state the three MPPT's were in to see if they were the cause of the absorption voltage (which I should have), but the batteries were still at 100% so I don't know why the MPPT's would have been in any other mode than float. The "Charging the battery to 100%" menu was still showing "In progress". For some reason, the system never went into sustain mode and the voltage remained at absorption level even though the system showed the Quattros to be in Float mode and the batteries were at 100% and had been fully charged all day.

I switched the Quattros to Inverter Only mode to let them ignore shore power for a period of time. After the batteries had drained to about 95% SOC, I switched the Quattros back to On. They immediately went into Bulk charge mode and began charging the batteries back to 100%. No matter what I did, I couldn't get the system to go into Sustain mode.

Because the system was in Float, but producing Absorption voltage to the batteries, I decided to change the programming of the Quattros. I removed the Wind and Solar priority from the slave inverter to see if this resolved my issues. I let the battery state of charge drain down to 95% before I uploaded the new programming. Once the new programming was implemented, the system went into a Bulk cycle until the batteries were at around 99% SOC and then switched to Absorption. I have a 5 hour absorption time in the programming (per my battery manufacturers recommendations because of the large size of my battery bank). The system hasn't had time to go into Float mode yet, so I don't know if the voltage will drop to the float level as expected. The system still has not switched to Sustain mode. I will check again once the Absorption set time completes

Both my Quattros and my Cerbo are running the latest firmware releases (not Beta).

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My system went through the set Absorption time and is now in Float mode at the proper float voltage and the battery bank is at 100%. It has not gone into Sustain mode. The "Charging the battery to 100%" menu item in the Quattro menu still says "In progress." It was dark out when the absorption cycle timed out so all three MPPT's were off.

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It has now been 18 hours since I updated the programming with only the master Quattro set up with the Wind and Solar priority. When I checked what the system was doing, the Quattros were still in float. The system voltage was back up to absorption voltage level because the sun came out this morning and the three MPPTs (with 3490 watts of solar) I have on the system went into a charge cycle. The system still has not gone into sustain and the "Charging the battery to 100%" menu item in the Quattro is still "In progress". I am at a loss as to why my system won't go into sustain. I have removed the wind and solar priority option for now because it won't activate. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Do I have to disconnect shore power and reapply it after the Wind and Solar priority programming is applied (this is about the only thing I didn't try)?

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@Chad Heiser

I can't answer for sure about the use of solar wind in multiple inverter systems. I can say for most other configs all inverters are programmed the same, so I would think so. (Will ask through support more about it to confirm.)

On your voltage set did you follow the table and set the voltages in sustain the correct offset? I know that was one of my first errors.

The second is since you are seeing a red strip up the side of the battery? See my dumb question here. You will see the red all the time if you don't set the offset correctly.

It is covered in the video how to tell the system to recharge. There are two ways I have found to start the recharge on demand. one is under the inverter in the menu. I use the option with the smart BT dongle.

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@Alexandra

I believe it should be turned on in both of my Quattros, but again I couldn't find that answer. I tried it both ways (on in both and on in just the master), but could never get the system to go to Sustain.

I set the Sustain voltage to 13 volts. This came directly from the Victron documentation:

"For Lithium, setting Sustain to 13.0V, which equals 3.25V per cell, makes the system maintain a minimum state of charge of approximately 30%"

I'm aware of the two ways to tell the system to recharge (in the menu you gave a screenshot of and through the Victron Connect App with a VE Bus Smart Dongle). My problem was not getting the system to recharge, it was getting the system to stop recharging and go into Sustain mode. My menu option for "Charge the battery to 100%" that you gave a screenshot of always said "In progress" even though the batteries were at 100% SOC for 20+ hours.

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Alexandra avatar image Alexandra ♦ Chad Heiser commented ·

Do you have the lithium profile chosen for batteries in the charger itself?

How much lower than your normal float voltage is the value of 13v?

Is the value for battery voltage at the quattro terminals reading correctly?

Are you using DVCC?

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