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EVCS Auto mode -- throttled power when batteries full (+ offgrid)

Dear Victron team,

it looks like the EVCS Auto mode has a design "imperfection" when used when batteries are fully charged (especially in off-grid systems).

The problem occurs:

  • IF the batteries are full (i.e., chargers are in Absorption or Float mode), AND there is not enough AC "consumption" (including no energy "export" back to the grid, e.g. in off-grid system)
  • => THEN the MPPT chargers are throttled down, thus producing only a little power, and thus EVCS in Auto Mode is utilizing only a little power

This is because of the inherent positive feedback loop (a "poisoned feedback"):

  • EVCS in AUTO sets the consumption (the charging power) according to the current production
  • MPPTs are producing just enough to cover current consumption (because batteries are full and there is little consumption)

So, a little EVCS consumption leads to little MPPT production -> which leads to little EVCS consumption -> which leads to little MPPT production, etc....

The observation of this problem has been reported numerous times (e.g., last report here: https://community.victronenergy.com/questions/309902/ev-charge-station-min-charge.html), so it really looks like a design flaw.


At the same time, I believe it has a very easy fix:

  • allow EVCS charger in Auto to discharge batteries from 100% down to, e.g., 95% (or anywhere back to the Bulk region)

This will break the "poisoned" feedback.

When the batteries are back in the Bulk region, then all Solar assets (DC coupled & AC coupled) will produce their maximum power => EVCS will have a better estimate of the available Solar power and, thus will be able to appropriately set the charging current.


Could you, please, consider this enhancement for the next firmware version of EVCS?



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Hi, thanks for your post!

Yes, that is possible but is dependent on the system size, system type and how fast is reacting, battery type and if those batteries are keeping the system limited by enforcing a limited charging current.

The EVCS does not know the available power, the only way to detect it is by probing. So from time to time, it tries more power. If the battery is not discharged and the PV is increasing the power, it tries more, if not, less. And so on.

And it seems in your case, your system is not increasing the PV production .


You have 3 ways to solve it, 1st, one is the recommended one :


- make sure you have the latest firmware, with: "Allow battery/grid power for auto mode" enabled, "Allow low excess solar power for auto mode "enabled, and enough time on "Battery/grid power timeout (min)" so the system will start producing more power.

- from the frequency control algorithm on your Multi or Fronius
- on the EVCS to modify the timings or thresholds for AUTO mode

For the 3rd method, take a look here: https://www.victronenergy.com/ev-charging/ev-charging-station-ns#technical-information

Especially this part:


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You might say why we are not changing the defaults so you don't have to. And the reason is, because it will behave more aggressive on the systems that are not limited like yours (most of them are not), by consuming more from the battery, especially at the end of the day, when the PV power is limited, and the battery is full.

Please keep me posted with the results.

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