Multiplus II 5000va Grid Export , AC Coupled Inverter , ESS VenusOS AC2 not working

So we got grid connected and trying to AC couple / Export to Grid

trying with 1x test unit first before doing all the parallel units

tried for a few days now as soon as ESS is installed through ve config the Grid tied inverters that were working AC coupled with the PV inverter assistant installed stop working

yes all the other assistants have been since removed I wish I backed them up

I can see the output hz going from ~48hz to 53+ hz so the inverters refuse to start up because they are faulting

if I use ve config , it shows Grid is connected 50.1hz stable and 240v stable
if I use VenusOS is says grid is disconnected and just draws power from battery

multiple relays are constantly flipping

I can not find any option inside ESS to enable AC2
edit this is apparently because grids refusing to connect
(before I just had relay assistant keep AC2 permanently on )

gave up getting AC2 output to work and moved AC coupled Inverters over to AC1

I tried lowering freq shift cutoff hz to 52.9 so it did not pass the 53hz threshold and AC coupled inverters still refused to sync

last config was like this

TAB: General
System frequency 50Hz
Shore current 10.0 A
Overruled by remote checked
Dynamic current limiter unchecked
External current sensor connected (see manual) unchecked
State of charge when Bulk finished 85.0 %
Battery capacity 190 Ah
Charge efficiency 0.80
TAB: Grid
Country / grid code standard Australia A: AS/NZS 4777.2:2020 stand alone app. M (with N-bypass)
AC input 1 Above selected gridcode plus LOM B (compliant)
TAB: AS/NZS4777.2:2020 Australia A (Stand alone appendix M)
Volt-Watt curve voltage V1 207.0 V
Max charge power at V1 20 %
Volt-Watt curve voltage V2 215.0 V
Max charge power at V2 100 %
TAB: Inverter
PowerAssist unchecked
Inverter output voltage 240 V
Inverter DC shut-down voltage 46.00 V
Inverter DC restart voltage 48.00 V
Low DC alarm level 48.00 V
Do not restart after short-circuit (VDE 2510-2 safety) unchecked
enable AES unchecked
TAB: Charger
Enable charger checked
Weak AC input unchecked
Stop after excessive bulk unchecked
Lithium batteries unchecked
Storage mode unchecked
Use equalization (tubular plate traction battery curve) unchecked
Charge curve Adaptive + BatterySafe
Absorption voltage 57.60 V
Float voltage 55.20 V
Charge current 70 A
Repeated absorption time 1.00 Hr
Repeated absorption interval 7.00 Days
Maximum absorption time 5 Hr
Temperature compensation -64.8 mV/deg
TAB: Virtual switch
TAB: Usage
Virtual switch usage Do not use VS
TAB: Assistants
TAB: Assistant Configuration
ESS (Energy Storage System) (size:1835)
*) System uses Gel or AGM batteries
*) The battery capacity of the system is 190 Ah.
*) Sustain voltage during the first 24 hours of sustain 48.00 V.
Sustain voltage after 24 hours 50.00 V.
*) Cut off voltage for a discharge current of:
0.005 C= 48.00 V
0.25 C= 46.60 V
0.7 C= 45.60 V
2 C= 44.80 V
*) Inverting is allowed again when voltage rises 1.20 V above cut-off(0).
*) Restart PV Inverters when the DC voltage becomes lower than 56.00 V.
*) The solar converter will start reducing its output power at 50.20 Hz.
Output power will be reduced to minimum when the frequency is 52.70 Hz.
The converter will disconnect when the frequency is higher than 53.00 Hz.
*) Total installed PV inverter power is 2500 Watts.
Total installed PV panel power is 2500 Watts.
*) Relevant VEConfigure settings:
- Battery capacity 190 Ah.
- PowerAssist unchecked
- Lithium batteries unchecked
- Dynamic current limiter unchecked
- Storage mode unchecked

Total size of all assistants including the required
(hidden) system assistants is: 1908

bad enough I bought a mk3 usbc thinking I could configure from just using a phone , but nope app does not allow configuration so had to go and buy another laptop so I could install windows just to use ve config

victron.wtf.vsc (5.9 KB)

anyone in QLD AU know the correct settings ?

or why the output hz is like this

Hi could this be the problem:

yeh they do that as well and its every 60 sec for me

also found out these do not work on AS/NZS 4777.2:2020 settings
but would work if they were on AS/NZS 4777.2:2015 settings

the grid password is apparently ■■■■■■■■■■■■ ?
when I was on the windows laptop I could not find it
got back to my Linux box and first thing it spat out was
T
P
W
M
B
U
2
A
4
G
C
C

so now unsure for QLD AU if its
AC Neutral path not externally joined
or
AC Neutral Path externally joined

AI spat out
in Australia, when using a Victron MultiPlus-II inverter/charger, the correct grid code setting is “AC Neutral Path not externally joined”.

also what are the A,B,C options anyhow ? AI spat out
Australia A is for large, interconnected power systems,
Australia B is for smaller, interconnected systems,
Australia C is for isolated or remote power systems

  • Australia A:

This setting is typically used for large, interconnected power grids, such as those found in Victoria and the eastern states (NSW, ACT, Queensland).

so I should have been in the right settings
Australia A: AS/NZS 4777.2:2020 stand alone app. M (no N-bypass )

but I have also seen AI always spiting out answers that are actually flipped , so regardless 50:50 chance of being right or wrong :S

looks like its still doing it

it willl pass through the grid , ac couple with the PV inverter then it will decide to top up battery then go inverter disconnect grid then does 53hz and kill the PV inverter instead of passing through the grid

i am trying to configure it to only top up battery to 48V from the grid as a maintained voltage but then it thinks this is the max 100%

also why is it trying to charge battery when its near full instead of sending to grid ?
and why is when setting sustain voltage to 48v that then becomes its 100% ?


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and then if i bump up the sustain voltage to 52v it just keeps charging from the grid

however on the AC coupled PV inverter it is saying its generating 70w but victron not showing any data ? (I thought it was in grid fault mode again )

pretty much as far as I know the earths are connected
their is a lead that runs from the mainhouse to the annex then another junction that leads to the shed where the inverters are

then the fish tanks etc all run directly from the inverters

their is a separate switch board that feeds the AC input then another separate switchboard that the AC output from the inverters are connected to

is their meant to be a Neutral Black wire linking the switchboards ? all I see is the earth linked

Australia QLD

AI Overview
In a Victron MultiPlus-II AC-coupled system in Australia, the AC input and output neutrals must be bonded together, but this is typically handled by the device’s internal circuitry, not a direct connection from input to output. The MultiPlus-II has an internal relay that bonds the neutral and ground (earth) when it switches to inverter mode, creating a local neutral and ground bond for the connected loads. This internal bonding is crucial for proper operation of downstream safety devices like RCDs (Residual Current Devices).
Key points about wiring and neutral bonding:
Internal Bonding:
The MultiPlus-II typically handles the neutral-to-ground (N-G) bond internally when it switches to inverter mode, creating a local “micro-grid”.
AC Input Protection:
The AC input must be protected by a fuse or circuit breaker, sized appropriately for the input current.
AC Output:
The AC output should be wired to your distribution board, ensuring proper connections for phase, neutral, and earth.
No Direct Neutral Connection:
You should not directly connect the AC input neutral to the AC output neutral. The MultiPlus-II’s internal relay handles this.
Parallel Systems:
In parallel or split-phase systems, the wiring for each phase should be symmetrical (same length, type, and cross-section).

then I disable the battery charger and it still tries to charge from grid wtf ? all I want is excess solar to export to grid , why is it always trying to charge battery and when battery full then dissconnect PV inverter ?

disablecharger.VenusOS_b827ebec168c_inst_ttyUSB0_Interfaces_Mk2_Tunnel.rvsc (6.3 KB)

no matter what I do it just wants to charge the batteries
never had issues like this with el-cheapo chinese inverters all I had to do with them was set never charge from grid unless battery under x voltage and stop charging from any source when battery reached x voltage and the AC export would dump the rest of the excess solar to to grid and I left the dedicated mppt’s charge the batteries full

also noticed something else only the OLD GUI is showing PV Inverter production

and put in inverter only mode it still keeps trying to charge batteries ..
and kills grid connection so no way to export .. ffs

am I mean to have DC export on ?

and I did just find this

Configure Grid Feed-in:
Set it to “No” or “DC Coupled Grid Feed-in No”: This setting will prevent the system from charging the batteries using solar power when they are already full or when a specific SoC (State of Charge) is reached.
Alternatively, set a high

negative

grid setpoint: This forces the system to export any excess solar power to the grid.

but it still just wants to charge 100% batteries …


so now that its the end of the day i got it exporting again using a option it said not to use with ESS ?
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but its pretty much back to the same settings as last time when battery voltage creeps up it will disconnect the AC coupled PV inverter even tho its ~ 49v out if the 56/57v it normally sits at if fully charged in the summer

so how the heck do you get ESS to folow its own darn rules ???

all I want is grid to charge battery if under 50% and leave the rest to the dedicated MPPT chargers (~30x 30A each having their own 1kw solar strings 4x 250w pannels ) and to export all PV inverter solar , as a have a few hundred micro inverters

so I rolled back to 2015 settings and it seems to be working (for now )
I altered the grid settings to be more inline with 2020’s 255V upper limit as 2015 had 265v set

accept its discharging the battery as well .. but I can live with that if it stops draining it too low


notexternaljoined.2015.VenusOS_b827ebec168c_inst_ttyUSB0_Interfaces_Mk2_Tunnel (thisworkedbutdischargedbattery).rvsc (6.3 KB)

I just love how it just ignores settings , discharge is disabled yet it still discharges