Multiplus II 48/3000

I’m planning to add a Multiplus II 48/3000 to my PV Enphase system as a battery backup.
The PV has 8 panels with 8 IQ7+ microinverters, output 220V phase-phase. The grid is three phase 220V/127V.
Essential loads are some 1kW peak and are connected to the same microinverters phase-phase 220V or phase-neutral 127V.
The third phase is used only for no-essential loads.
How could I connect the Multiplus on my system?
Thanks.
Mark Jordan

Maybe the same “Problem”

I guess the only solution will be using two Multiplus, one for each 127V phase.
Is there a 48V 1600W or 2000W máx that support grid injection?

The problem is not so much the voltage but the missing N conductor … as you have a 3-phase connection and NO N it will not work.

Read again my first post and you will see I have the neutral conductor. Voltage between neutral and any phase is 127V. Voltage between any two phases is 220V.

Sorry … Then take a look at the 2x120V (splitphase) Versions …

I found they are not compatible because “The inverter output is 120 V single phase. In invert mode, the MultiPlus connects both output lines (L1 and L2) together to provide 120 VAC to loads on either line.”

This way I’ll not have 220V. :frowning:

Then you need a “Autotransformer” like :

But you can only use one phase … You would need also an autotransformer for the second phase

Basically, you want your microinverters to continue to be supplied from the 220V mains after a failure.
What power will your PV side have?

The PV can go to 2700W max on 220V.
Essential loads, 1000W max on 220V.

If I use a autotransformer, the Neutral wire must be connected to the middle terminal.

But wait, the first diagram in that datasheet shows the 240Vac inverter without Neutral connection!

And ?
But you need a solution with 120V → 240V in the event of a power failure for your MP3000 and your MicroWR

The transformer is connected the other way round

If I could use the 220V inverter connected to L1 and L2 without Neutral connection, then problem solved.

I can use an autotransformer for any 127V load.

“If I could use the 220V inverter connected to L1 and L2 without Neutral connection, then problem solved.” … Problem not solved … Victron gives no guarantee of fault-free operation at 230 split phase without N with a 230V inverter that actually requires an N conductor.
Hence my link to the other post above.

“I can use an autotransformer for any 127V load” … Is this a Question ???

I don’t understand that autotransformer diagram showing “Neutral (not connected)” if the inverter needs N connection.

So I need to use two 127V inverters.

If I use only one 120V inverter with an autotransformer, how to connect the 220V PV?

Here is the amazing Paint Stuff

Unfortunately the autotransformer cost here in Brazil is a little less than a Multiplus 48/2000 127V.
So it seems the solution is using two Multiplus 48/2000 127V.
Or one Multiplus 48/3000 without N connection :thinking:.

The operation in Brazil is completely different to here in Europe where it is a matter of a feed-in and all kinds of guidelines have to be observed.
It may well be that a 230V Multi works wonderfully on a 127V split system.

But I don’t know that. :thinking:

Is there someone at Victron that could possibly shed some light on this?
I like the idea of using only one inverter.

Edit:
After reading the docs available, it seems the solution in my case would be keeping the ground relay always open.
This way I could connect the MP input to L1 and L2 without N and the AC out would feed the loads with L1 and L2.

Maybe I’m missing something here, but I guess it should work.