Centaur Battery Charger doesn't produce output amperes

Centaur Battery Charger 24/60 doesn’t produce amp output, still 120 VAC are present at input, and 25 VDC present at output.

The questions are:
What would be the cause and solution?
Why voltage is not raising?
Why the charger is not feeding amperage to the batteries?

I have not connected the frame / chassis with an external wire to the input AC PE terminal… nor to the negative output DC terminal.

Is it ok to assume those connections are already made in factory?

Update: :grinning:
Will somebody please help ?

Output voltage is too low.

Correct, output voltage should be 29V-Absorption, 37V- Float… so the reading is showing the connected batteries voltage.

The questions are: What would be the cause and solution?
Why voltage is not raising?
Why the charger is not feeding amperage to the batteries?

Check it is switched on. If it is the unit is faulty. Replace the unit.

I cannot find a “switch”, to “switch it on”, the charger is connected to 120 VAC, and I measured the voltage at the input terminals as 124 VAC.

:grinning:Update:
Would pleasesomebody help here? :grinning:

Pulled this from the manual

TROUBLESHOOTING
Charger does not function

  1. The mains is not ok Measure mains (you checked so ok)
  2. Input or output fuses are defective (seems like the most likely problem)
    Return product to your dealer

Hello,

We had similar issue. In our case the “ON” led on the pcb didn’t light up. Reason : the NTC (situated behind the big plate) was broken. ( totally burned).

Replacing that NTC made the charger function again.

Grts

Could you please share what NTC you replaced it with?

I think this has just happened to a unit I inherited recently. The unit has been without use for a long time. As my neighbour upgraded to LiPo batteries.

I powered it up to charge my Lead Acid batteries at 12.1V. It did 60 Amps for about 6 minutes and then suddenly dropped to 10 Amps and now will only go as high as 15 Amps if I am also drawing out load on my system. Otherwise it’s 100% stuck on 10A.

Checked cables, connectors, fuses etc. Haven’t checked behind that yellow “plate” yet with the plastic screws. Haven’t flipped over the PCB yet either. Definitely want to get it working again, whether it’s a cold solder issue or something else.

Please do advise how you replaced the NTC @DVH!

The picture shows the NTC after replacement. Below the type of NTC used.

Thank you, I ordered a replacement for this. Here’s hoping it wil solve the problem.

All of the symptoms point to the NTC failing and providing too much ohms resistence / not heating up properly.

Will report back after replacement.

After a week DigiKey did nothing and when I inquired they said the payment didn’t go through… just tried a second time and it looks again that it has not gone through. So I have been sitting here without a charger and now 3-4 days of heavy rain ahead. Great!

In the meantime I had a proper look at the existing NTC. Did not manage to find this last time I looked but here it is.

Circled the one on my device in red (12V / 60A version)

Here is the existing NTC. Note the crack and excreted hard resin on the corner. It feels sharp and rusty to the touch. I think DVH is right on the money, this is definitely my problem. Was very hard to catch/see initially because it was on the side I could not see and I only found it when touching the NTC with my fingers and then bending it a little into view.

I will try and buy a replacement from Mouser. Super annoying that postage at any website costs between $24 to $115 dollars just for these tiny things!

I got and installed this brand of thermistor: SL22 4R014 which took 3.5 weeks to arrive from DigiKey on account of FedEx being utterly useless. I do note that it is 4 Ohm at room temp and not 1 Ohm like the old one. However:

When I installed it, I still had the same problem. Charger would only output only 10 Amps of current. If I put a heavy load on the batteries through my inverter, the current would climb to a maximum of 18 Amps. The charger heatsinks get a bit warm, same with the new inrush thermistor but still largely no current. I also tested the bridge rectifier and it is working fine.

After talking with Claude.ai, it seemed likely that because neither of my two fans spin (ever). The charger is likely seeing the tach(ometer) pin on the fans at 0 and is deliberately holding off charging. The fans likely spun for about 10 minutes when I plugged the charger in after it was sitting for 3 years and then both failed, or they didn’t run at all (and the charger overheated). Then the current went from 60 Amps down to a max of 10. So either two of my power stages are blown, so I am limited to one, or the 0 rpm on the fans is the culprit. If the power stages are blown (they look fine to me) then the charger likely goes in the bin.

I’ve ordered 2 new fans. They were $22 AU each, not cheap as fans go.

The ones on my 12/60 model were: KDE1208PTV1 3 Pin 12V 1.6W.

I also measured 6.36V on each of the two fan terminals but neither of them spin at all even at half speed with that power.

I will report back again when I get the two fans, if plugging them in makes the charger function normally again. Fingers crossed.

In any case the thermistor still needed to be replaced. I bought the superseded version of the 1 Ohm in case the new one is also going to be a problem after the fans get fixed. Still beats spending $750 for a new charger.