Can a 2011 Multiplus Compact handle Lifeo4 batteries

Hi All,

I am thinking of commissioning an old Multiplus Compact 24/1600, from looking at the S/N, I am assuming its manufacture date is 2011, picture attached.

Will this be able to handle Lifeo4 batteries ( after updating the firmware to whatever is the latest)? I will be using 2x 100Ah 12v in series, they dont have com ports but do have bluetooth to monitor cells.

I don’t have a cerbo gx, I am using a Raspi, its been working very well, can’t believe how robust these dinki devices are.

Is there any way I can connect to the bluetooth of the battery from raspi/venus OS? to monitor cell status remotely?

Thanks in advance

Update to the last firmware please.

Then check with ve.configure or Victron Connect what values are possibile

You will need a additional smart Shunt and for the raspi a MK3 interface.

The build in battery monitor ist not recommend

@DirkW Thanks for your reply.

I neglected to add that I have Smart MPPT 100/20 as well, I would like that to be the main charger. Also, the batteries are not victron.
I have a MK3 for the Multiplus to raspi, I will need a USB to VE.direct from the smartshunt to raspi or use bluetooth?

Hi @roks

that is all with no problem possible!

you need a Ve.direct cable to connect the smart shunt and the smart solar Mppt to the raspi.

Bluetooth is only for programming / apps and don’t´work together with GX devices

just choose the standard lithium profile and correct the values to your battery needs.

And a MK3 / Usb Interface too

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So as long as I select the lithium profile and set the battery voltage, the MPPT and Multi will charge with CC/CV which required for the battery I am planning to use.

Take a look at DVCC in the GX manual. Cerbo uses this to control all connected devices.

I would treat your lithium battery type like a lead battery (different voltages but no communication).

Alternatively, each device can also charge independently…

For sure, you can select LFP battery, and it works.
But…

I have a 2012 model (MPC2000) and it is impossible to update the firmware (this is documented in the document below) because of the old (2011/2012) processor in the by MPC.

Looking at your photo, the processors has a lablel with 1916137 on it. As you can see in the document below, no assistants en no updates are (anymore) possible.

So, no firmware update, then also, you can´t use any assistants!
So no ESS*.
You can use it as a “dumb” inverter/charger.
It does work with the Cerbo GX / VRM (so a RPI should work too), but you can do basic stuff like change to off/inverter/charger and change the maximum AC current.

Beware that you also can´t connect AC-pv inverter at the AC-out side because you cant activate a pv-assistant.

*if you want to use it stil as a ESS, you have to do all manually. As soon as the AC-pv on AC-in has excess power, you have to enable the charger and set (and constantly change) the charge current.

Because the MPC works on the VRM too (but with somewhat limited functionality), you can set the charge current (when there is solar energy in excess) although this is no supported in the VRM, but you can use a trick…

First, in VEC3, set “enable charger” and set battery “charge current” to its maximum.
Then disconnect your pc (of set it to sleep/standby because as long as VEC3 has contact with the Cerbo / RPI, you can´t use the VRM, the MPC is shown as “off”).

Then use on your mobile phone the VRM app and use the “AC current limit setting” as a “indirect battery current setting”.
E.g.: when the AC-current is set to 5 A (5x230 V=1150W), then the charge current is (1150W/24V=)48 A.
When AC-current is set to 4A (4x230=920W), then the charge current is (920/24=)38 A.

In practice, the current is lower that that, because when you set it to 5 A, the real value is a bit less.
When more or less pv-power is available, you have to change this AC-current limit setting (do know there is a minimum value for AC-current, by me: 3,4 A, so you can not decrease the charging DC current to let say 5 A).
Power assist and the UPS function does also work (on this old model/old firmware).

PS: configuring the MPC via VRM is impossible, because you will get an error saying that this is not supported on this (old) firmware.

PPS: the problem, that no assistants are supported anymore, is that the current VEC3 software does not allow to use those functions. Way back then (in 2012) the VEC3 software did support assistants, with my old/current firmware in the MPC. So I think when you can find a old version of VEC3 (as was available in 2012) I expect that thát version of VEC3 will do support assistants, so ESS too. Tip: use archive.org to obtain old version of VEC3.

Furthermore, don’t forget to extend the ‘repeated absorption interval’ to the max of 45 days. It’s killing your batteries. Unfortunately, it can’t be disabled on the MP, like it can be disabled on the smart blue series. Sound like a weird choice of Victron.

Thanks guys for all your tips.
I will be onsite next few days, its remote for me (has grid but poor). I wanted to change to 24v, I will see what I am able to do while I am onsite. I might be able to use the virtual switch to prioritise solar otherwise it powers the load from AC when the sun is blazing.

Here are some pictures of my current attempt at forcing the MPC not to power the load or charge from AC unless voltage drops to certain level. I dont know if this is a good way or not.

Worst case, I will stick with the 12v MPC, it’s got the newer processor(26). I have couple of 48/3000 MP 2’s but thats for a future project and I dont have the batteries yet.

Also, how do I protect the Lifepo4 batteries?

Ok, so I ma not getting this tick box and after I select the lithium profile from the drop down list I get the same settings

This MPC has 209 firmware, can’t get Virtual switch or ESS…… :frowning:

You can edit the fields of absorption Voltage. I’d suggest 27,60V for absorption. This is enough to charge cells up to 100% and gives way less stress. Float I’d suggest around 26.4. Victron really uses old values here, from the time we did not know as much of LifePO4 cells as we do now.

What kind of protection are you looking for? The BMS in the batteries can take care of under- and overvoltage, under- and over temperatures and charge and load currents. Also they should take care of the balancing. And of course you should use a good fuse to protect everything after the batteries, because LifePO4 can give massive currents if something goes wrong.

I quite liked the virtual switch. My goal is to use solar to charge and not the Grid during sunlight and power the inverter loads with the excess solar power after charging the battery. Ignore AC kind of does the trick.

Looks like I am going to have to ditch the 24v and put back the 12v.

I can’t event control the dumb this from vrm portal, its remote site I can’t attend every often, I can communication error.

Also, when there is sun blazing and no grid, I would at least expect the mppt to keep charging the battery but doesn’t seem to do that.