Recommendations for 70mm2 cable type for 3-phase Victron install

Hello,

Would appreciate some comments and recommendations for 70mm2 cable type for 3x 6.5kV MP II, RS450 and 2x 300A LifePo batteries. I am getting conflicting recommendations from different installers.
All cables should be run in a cable duct with very short runs max 1 meter to Lynx 1000A distribution fused both on battery and MP II and RS 450 solar side of Lynx BMS and about 1.5 meters to the two batteries on separate cables from Lynx distribution,.

This double insulated PVC type rated for 600V.
or
this single jacket neopren rubber type rated for 100V.

Both have the same or similar copper core,

I would assume double-insulated is better when running multiple pairs together in plastic slit-type ducts?

Grateful for any comments!

Rough schematics of DC side for reference. Each red line represents a pair of +/- 70mm2.

I would go for the double insulated pvc one with copper instead of the tinned one

I believe the thinned ones are mostly only used in wet (marine) environments

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Normally we use H07V-K here in Germany.

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Thanks @M_Lange Would that be available in 70mm2 ? Double insulated by any chance? My search did not come up with such a version? If not double insulated, is running this in ducts with short usage upwards 200A @48V nominal ok for you? No issues?

Thanks @DuivertNL

Have you used that with good results in your 3-phase Victron installs that I see you have done? In the same duct?
No heat issues at maybe upwards 200A peaks @48V nominal for short usage? The rating should be fine, just looking for real world usage and best procedure.

Many thanks.

For DC i like to use the second type H01N2-D but with untinned copper, for example from Lapp Cables. Im not quite sure about the exact insulation material, its rubbery, maybe it also is neoprene.

If you need to use single or double insulation should be given by your electrical code.

For example, in low voltage applications (most of our installs are PELV, up to 50VAC or 120VDC) i can use single insulated wires, and you may be as well since theres various ENs that govern this.

However, i also need to keep a distance to cables carrying 230/400V. So for example routing both types in the same cable duct would not be allowed. Otherwise also the low-voltage conductor needs to be double isolated.

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Thanks @chrigu

Regulations here do not demand double insulation, but I like to go the extra mile on safety if it adds a security layer.
The H01N2-D you cite is rubber and single layer.
Our 70mm2 install is for up to maybe 57VDC and typically high usage probably at 150A-175A when using stove or water heater
and occasionally maybe a little more. But mostly a lot less.

H07V-K is single insulated by norm. Double would be H07RN-F for example.

If double is better/needed/recommend depends on how/where you want to install it.

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So then something like this if we want double insulated?

But you typically run several H07V-K pairs next to each other in ducts with no distancing with no issues in nominal 48V systems upwards 150A?

No problem at all, mine are in the same duct too

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Are you referring to double insulated now for this? Something like my quoted cable in first post? Thanks!

Yes i have the same type cable

If you live in Belgium, they need to be CCA-rated. If that is the case, you can use these: Cable RZ1-K flexible Libre de HalĂłgenos 1X70 mm2 0,6/1 KV EXZHELLENT GENERAL CABLE - Ilumitec

H07V-K is rated for up to 1000V, so why should you use double insulated wires for 48V?

I only use double insulated wires if it is installed under “extreme” conditions like unter the car or something like that.

For indoor installation it’s overkill IMO.
It needs more space and is harder to handle.

Thanks @KoenH

Very simliar specs to the cable I am looking at: 600V.

Thanks. Space and handling is ok with me. I guess I just want max safety for my budget and the length and cost of the cabling is not really an issue here.…and if the russians blow up the grid here (not really a joke these days unfortunately)
I want to try to stay afloat as best I can without melting cables on sun, wind and sunflower oil in the generator :wink:

I bought all my cabling at Ilumitec (Spain). It’s very affordable; it took about a week to get it in Belgium.

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Your concern is not the cable, but the junction between cable and the battery or inverter, fusebox.., a un-torcked bolt can be serious danger. Because at 200A the much higher resistance cause massive heat build up, I have seen a red hot wire connector, amps was only 17A when the connector was replaced, fuses don’t protect this danger.

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I am aware of this, as mentioned earlier the busbar is Victron Lynx 1000A and we will torque to specs. Thanks