Begrijp dat Frank Energie nu de handel op onbalans met Victron batterijen ondersteund.
Interface kost nogal wat geld, dus voordat ik dit interface aanschaf, is Victron van plan onbalans handel in VRM op te nemen of zijn hier geen plannen voor?
En zo ja wanneer kunnen we dat dan verwachten?
Could we get an update from Victron if they are planning to implement trading on the unbalance market in VRM ?
The interface showed in the video is costly, and how knows if this type of trading is still possible after 2027,…
Not something you will get an answer to Officially here.
There will be the formal announcement in the usual channels.
To know what is currently being worked on look at the beta sections. Or git hub
Problem is that the interface cost around 600euro and the year fee is 100euro.
It will take around 4 months to reach beak even point, and it is unknown what happens in 2027 here in the Netherlands.
So to earn some money with unbalance trading I have to decide very soon what to do.
Almost all batteries on the market are capable to trade on the unbalance market, but the only smart system Victron, just now with a 600euro interface.
Victron systems are great, but I real don’t understand the marketing and innovation strategy of them.
Would have like to know this too.
To bad there is not a list of feature improvements or implenmentations on short terms (say within 6 months). Think a lot of people with Victron systems would like to shorten the ROI.
There is on beta threads in that section.
Where can we find this?
Maybe post a link?
Seems trading on the unbalance is also possible with the Smart Grid One interface from Eniris (SmartgridOne – Smartgrid Solutions)
I’m very interested in this topic! If anyone has already experimented with the Solum Indi Energy Box from Off-Gridcentrum, please share your experience. One thing holding me back from choosing this solution is the lock-in with Frank. Frank doesn’t play well with the tariffs—it applies the dynamic raise (variabele opslag) twice to every exported kWh, which is a dealbreaker for me. In the Netherlands, we also have the Bliq Energiemanager. I reached out to them, and they mentioned that Victron support might be available by the end of 2025. Bliq seems to be supplier-independent, which is promising. Thank you for the SmartgridOne link! Unfortunately, they also work with Frank. However, it looks like they will collaborate with GreenChoice later this year. So, for now, I’m a bit stuck…
Hi Spark,
Do you have proof FrankEnergie isn’t controlling the batteries the best way?
What I understand is that the Bliq interface is nothing more than an interface to make a simple battery smart.
This to make trading on day ahead market possible.
Victron systems do already have this control in VRM dynamic ESS, so none external interface is needed for this.
To trade on the unbalance market you can only do this at several energy resellers (like FrankEnergie) here in the Netherlands how provide this service.
Unbalance is unknown and the unbalance service provider needs real-time (1minute) control over your battery.
And to do this the Bliq or Smartgridone like interfaces are needed.
These interfaces also do have 4G data modems, just in case the home internet connection fails.
What I understand is that this is a bidirectional connection, to battery: control charge/ discharge and how much kW, and from battery: SOC and from P1 meter the measured kW.
FrankEnergie has a contract with Bliq and now also Enris ( Smartgridone), and Frank energy has his own control platform om their interfaces.
And this way they now can control your Victron system.
I real don’t understand why energy companies can’t do this on Victron VRM the same way, create a separate platform for them.
The only thing that must be guaranteed is a 1minute bidirectional communication.
This way the expensive external interfaces are not needed for Victron systems.
Hi,
What I mentioned about Frank is regarding the EPEX market, I’m not talking about the imbalance market. I don’t know how Frank handles the imbalance market. But for EPEX they apply the variabele opslag twice to every exported kWh (that is a 4 cent fine for every exported kWh). With for example Zonneplan or Tibber you get the variabele opslag paid for ever exported kWh. This means I would hurt my EPEX trading if I step over to Frank to also be able to trade imbalance market. I’m using Victron DESS so I trade on the EPEX market and don’t want to use Frank for that!
Thx for pointing out, I guess the market is like this:
Indeed Victron has everything in place to add imbalance market functionality.
Ok clear,
I also have Zonneplan, import fee is 2 cent/kWh but at export you get it back.
Solum Indi Energy Box = SmartgridOne Light Controller.
Zonneplan is not planning to implement their “powerplay” on Victron systems. 
Thx, Interesting!
I was thinking the same, Zonneplan should (could open) open their platform one day 
Victron could work with zonneplan to create a imbalance trading platform.
I suggested it both Zonneplan and Victron several times,….
They need to hurry because in 2027 the profit because of stopping “salderen” will be much less.
Started a petition to make the politics aware that something has to be done at the “dubbele energie belasting” home batteries will face in 2027.
“The end of salderen will have a significant impact on EPEX, making it unprofitable. I expect that by 2027, TenneT will begin to notice worsening imbalances at certain points (expensive no sun moments) due to the absence of private EPEX trading (kWh feed-in), which will have ceased. However, for the imbalance market compensation itself—aside from the drawn or delivered kWh—this change will not have an effect. That’s why I was looking into the imbalance market.”
Double taxes indeed, didn’t think of that yet! They will argue that these taxes are paid by different persons and therefor are legit.
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