Mystery Consumption in VRM - how to troubleshoot?

This morning VRM showed me 1kW consumption at around 6am. Nothing is connected that could possibly use that. The advanced tab does not show anything like that. How can I trouble shoot this?

The system is not grid connected. The sun was not up. DC load is usually about 6W, AC load about 7W.

Ekrano GX. Multiplus 1200 12 50. No grid connection (no AC In). MPPT 100 30. SmartShunt 500A monitoring 2x100Ah Volthium LiFePO4 in parallel, connected CAN Bus BMS 500 LV.

Everything on the Advanced is showing normal, no big spike in consumption that I can see.

Ideas welcome. Thanks in advance.

I forgot to add that the Installation Graph - Consumption - shows that 1kW came from the battery (and 0.01 from solar).

Unless I find a fried squirrel across the DC bus bars, I’m stumped.

And here it is again about 12 hours later - 1000W of consumption, apparently from the battery. When this is impossible.

VRM Software bug?

A few minutes ago, it happened again - a “phantom” - false extra 1kWh of consumption; yet that power didn’t come from PV or Battery or Grid.

Also, caught the DC load going slightly negative. Not sure why that is, not sure if it is related.

This happens on my system every once in a while at random times. In my case all 16A across all three phases are being sent to the Grid from the battery. it only lasts about 45-60 seconds, before all returns to normal. I’ve never figured it out. I wonder if it is some PylonTech battery equalization algorithm running; where it needs to dump a lot of energy from the battery in a short time.

Look at your advanced graphs in VRM and see if you can determine if the energy is going to the grid instead of some appliance in your house.

Hi @ZsSolar95 - that’s interesting. The battery voltage and current do not match the consumption. And the error is almost always exactly 1.0kWh, although sometimes it is 1.0 + whatever the MPPT is outputting eg if 0.04 from solar, then it will be 1.04.
1000Wh should show up as a decrease in battery SOC.

In this example, there is a false value at 16:30. The battery voltage does not drop. Later at around 17:15, I turned on a 800W load (a Shop Vac) for several minutes. The battery voltage drops as expected.

There are two problems (a) false consumption, and (b) the real consumption calculation is probably wrong - that 800W was not on for an hour, more like 15minutes, so that should be 0.2kWh consumption, not 1kWh.

Here’s the advanced chart to go with it:

Does that clarify?

It’s been a while, but it did it again this morning. I’m wondering if some programmer decided to add 1kW when they didn’t know what else to do :winking_face_with_tongue:

No PV, battery slowly discharging, inverter load very low, yet somehow the false 1000W of consumption occurred.

Is there a log somewhere that I could use to track this down?

I don’t know whether the problem is happening on the Ekrano or on the VRM. Once again, the advanced graphs don’t show this false consumption, so I don’t know where it is coming from.

NB: It is always exactly 1.00kW of false consumption. Never 1.1, 2.9, any other number.

Do you have/had any energy meters in the system?

No energy meters. I do have a SmartShunt at the batteries.

I do have DC loads enabled, as there is a lot of +12V equipment. I don’t have a SmartShunt measuring DC loads, but could add one if that would help.

Hi @lxonline it happened again around 17:00 yesterday. Exactly 1kWh. How can I troubleshoot this?

Perhaps a better question is: If I SSH into the Ekrano, is there a log somewhere of the data that gets uploaded to VRM?

Then I could determine source of the spurious 1kWh consumption data is local to the Ekrano, or if I can eliminate that and point to VRM.

These occurences are rare, and I can’t reproduce them on demand at this point.

It’s weird. Usually that happens when a dialy total figure is sent.
Why it’s doing it on your system I honestly hadn’t put much thought into