DESS tariff for Engie Dynamic in Belgium

Dear Victron fans,

I once spent half a Sunday figuring out what the Victron Dynamic ESS pricing formula should look like with an Engie Dynamic contract here in Flanders.

In the meantime, I have learned that fewer than 1% of Flemish households have a dynamic contract. It shows: support is nonexistent, nobody understands anything, the app provides incorrect information…

But after a great deal of searching, I now finally have it 100% clear. I hope this helps you move forward? Please leave a comment or reply?


First, let’s take a look at the Engie contract:

When studying this contract, I learned the following:

The figures 10.809 and 6.596

Do not belong in the formula. They are the estimated annual price in euro cents per kWh that Engie used as an example/estimate at the time it prepared the tariff sheet.
It is a legal requirement for suppliers to show an estimate of what an average consumer would pay over the course of an entire year.

Units:

  • The Engie contract lists everything in EURO CENT/kWh.
  • Victron DESS lists everything in EURO/kWh.
  • The eSPOT is in EURO/MWh.

All values, including Victron’s P value, are in euros/kWh.
All values from your Engie contract therefore need to be entered divided by 100 in Victron DESS.
Example: 1.3163 euro cents/kWh must be entered in Victron as: 1.3163/100 = 0.013163

Grid charges and taxes (from Fluvius).

These are fixed amounts per month:

  • the minimum contribution for the capacity tariff (equivalent to a 2.5 kW peak, which amounts to approximately €9 per month).
  • Variable distribution tariff (Fluvius Iverlek).
  • Federal excise duty (average).
  • Other small contributions.
  • the fixed annual charge: 100.70

You pay these fixed grid charges anyway, regardless of whether you consume or inject electricity, or do neither. That is why we do not take them into account in our pricing formula.

Final formula

The overall formula is:
((espot * a ) + B) * 6% VAT
My contract lists the following values:
A value = 1.3163
B value = 0.1019

( p * 1.019 + 0.013163 ) *1.06 + 0.0106 + 0.01582

Explanation:

The pricing formula states that it is exclusive of VAT.
At the top of the contract it says: “Prices including 6% VAT”
From this, I understand that the 6% VAT only needs to be added to the formula.

P:
The eSPOT index, but now in euros per kWh; no further conversion is needed.
1.019:
the B value is 0.1019. This is the conversion that Engie applies to the eSPOT price.
The eSPOT price is in euros per MWh. Engie converts this to euro cents/kWh for your Engie contract. Converting from MWh to kWh means dividing by 1000, and converting from euros to euro cents means multiplying by 100. Together, that means dividing by 10. Hence the 0.10. Then there is an additional small charge of 1.9%.
The variable p used by Victron is already the converted EPEX price in euros per kWh (€/kWh). So no further conversion is needed here. However, the 1.9% surcharge still needs to be added. That is why we use x 1.019 here.
0.013163:
The A value of 1.3163 euro cents /1000

1.06:
The pricing formula still needs to have 6% VAT applied to it

0.0106:
Green electricity option, 1.06 euro cents/kWh = 0.0106 euros/kWh

0.01582:
Green electricity cost, 1.582 euro cents/kWh = 0.01582 euros/kWh

And for injection:

p - 0.013050

Explanation:

P:
the eSPOT index, but now in euros per kWh; no further conversion is needed.

-0.013050: the A value from the formula.

The B value is now 0.1000, or divided by 10, with no additional charges, but Victron has already performed that conversion, so nothing needs to be entered.

Hey Joost

Thanks for your post! Very clearly explained.

Could it be that the cost of the combined heat and power (CHP) needs to be included in your VAT calculation?
You aren’t charging VAT on it here.

I quote:

The costs for green electricity and CHP are calculated as Q x Pc. Q is the legally determined percentage of the customer’s consumption for which ENGIE has to surrender green electricity certificates and cogeneration certificates. Pc is equal to the price per green electricity certificate and amounts to €100. The price per cogeneration certificate is €28. These prices exclude VAT. These costs are charged separately on the invoice and are adjusted if the legislation on this matter changes.

Dear Jeroen, I’ve only just seen your message, sorry.

There were serious errors in my formulas; I’ve corrected the texts!!

Regards,

Joost

Hi Joost,

I also have a Victron with a substantial battery connected to it, so my own PV production is no longer fed into the grid for “free”. This gives me a nice saving and means I can expect a reasonable payback period. At the moment, I still have a fixed-rate contract and make use of the “happy hours” and a manual ESS. However, to get more out of my installation, I should really switch to a dynamic tariff and enable DESS. The problem is that I can find very few reviews from users, whether positive or negative. So I’m assuming for now that it’s all positive, and that the happy owners simply have no need to write a review.

What are your experiences with DESS and Engie’s dynamic tariff?

Many thanks in advance,

Johan

Dear Johan,
Thank you for your reply. Indeed, Victron’s DESS is a wonderful system, and I feel very lucky to own one. Overall, it works extremely well and is also fairly autonomous. Normally, you don’t need to worry about it…
What I do find disappointing is that Dynamic ESS makes decisions that you have no insight into and cannot influence. I’m very sorry that DESS runs on Victron’s servers rather than locally. For that reason, I’ve been experimenting with EMHASS on Home Assistant. But it’s a huge amount of work to figure out, and I haven’t got it working yet…
Indeed, support and knowledge in Belgium are extremely limited; only 1% of Flemish households have a dynamic contract. That needs to change quickly, because it really is the future!
Joost

Hi everyone, I’ve adjusted the pricing formula again today, based on some new insights. VAT should only be charged on the price formula, not on the additional costs, as those already include VAT. I’ve also removed the 11p grid costs, because grid costs are fixed monthly amounts that have no influence on the price per kWh.

I’d love to hear whether you find it useful and whether it could be improved further!
Joost

Hi Joost,

Thank you for your update and for sharing your positive experience. I haven’t yet had the chance to test my Victron on DESS. My current focus is on mapping out the self-consumption of the major appliances first. I still need to take a measurement of my PV system, EV charger and heat pump. I expect to be able to install these in August.

At the moment, I decide myself when to charge my hybrid car from the battery or the grid.

As soon as I switch to DESS, I’ll share my experience here.

Best regards,

Johan