could I have the cluster docs and firmware please to play with 
What exactly are you referring to?
Hey, I had just watched a video with Guy on talking about the new firmware coming out soon where you don’t need to use VE.Bus to sync paralleled Inverters on a big system, he called it Clustering.
OMG..!!! @guystewart Watching your video re clustering with Smart Energy lab and loving it..! We have 2 x 10KVA Quattro and are off grid, having added two EV’s I need to expand the battery and solar and this could be perfect..! My thinking build a second power room with another 50KWH of battery and 15KW of solar, move one of the Quattro’s and now I have higher availability and amazing expandability. Do you need early adopters..? Any chance you are also looking into bidirectional EV charging..?
Hi,
This video referred to is here - https://youtu.be/bgWFrf973l8
There is a lot more info coming, much more detailed technical specifications, implementation details, limitations and feature roadmap for this exciting new development.
I am in the Netherlands now to get hands on experience with a site that is running these microgrid clusters right now.
Then next week will be representing again at the METS trade show in Amsterdam, which is one of our key yearly events.
What that means is waiting a few weeks for all the information that is ready to be made public to be released.
To set appropriate expectations, while the ambition and potential is very large, initial release will be for only a subset of those applications. Still very exciting tech.
You are ace Guy! 
I think my knees are shaking 
can’t wait!!!
I’ve just watched the same thing. This sounds like an incredible development. It left me with two speciffic questions, I’m sure I’ll have more when more details arrive:
- Is it intended that the 15K and 30K Multi HS19 inverters will be able to form part of this cluster alongside 12, 24 and 48v based systems?
- From the way you described it arround 8 mins 40 seconds I wasn’t completly clear if this is for off-grid only or wether it can still be tied to the nationwide grid safely.
My thoughts have turned to trying to elegantly integrate my 12v RV system with the 48V house 3 phase system and then a mluti HS19 system based arround a second life EV battery. Very exciting.
Indeed more information is coming, but those two are both quick answers.
- For now this is a VE.Bus only feature. So not launching with support for RS or HS products.
- This is an off grid only feature, once the firmware is changed the feature depends on being able to adjust the voltage and frequency of the microgrid, so it will not work with an external grid formed sine wave from a supply that is not part of the microgrid.
Do you have any idea when was released to the market the Victron’s first inverter/charger? Probably the initial Multiplus?
In another order of ideas, is there any Victron roadmap for its products for these 50 years?
Can you describe what the infrastructure may look like? I have two separate potential cluster systems that would benefit from this setup. One has the three separate systems within 75 meters from each other. The other is going to have one of three systems about 500 meters down the road. Both are still in the planning stage with one completed system per site. The system that has the outlying system is having the second system built now. All are currently planned to have dual 48/5000 Multiplus II inverters in Split phase. Both site locations would benefit from having the extra inverting capacity and the second sites owner definitely oversized the first generator he installed. Any additional information would be greatly appreciated.
Sounds fantastic and I’m really looking forward to seeing this and hopefully closing some sales.
I have a thought regarding the Genset sync issue, which could be considered the same issue one would have if it were an ESS ssytem.
Once VRM for the microgrid clusters is resolved, perhaps one of the GX devices could be setup as master and control a large contactor (NO) for the grid feed in or genset. A meter upstream of the source/feed capable of measuring voltage and frecuency to sync with would be installed and connected to the master GX device. Command would be given for all systems in the microgrid cluster to synce to that before the large upstream contactor was closed and allow the current from that source to flow through to the microgrid.
It’s clear that communication and syncronization would be rather slow and that failsafes would be required such as, all GX devices in the grid must be communicating and syncronized for the contactor to close. However, if this were able to be implemented for ESS type setups, the container market for these systems would then be able to expand their markets into town power back up systems - especially requiered in countries and areas with unstable grids - parts of Africa such as Nigeria, South Africa for example, parts of South America, war or desaster areas (Ukraine for example), even perhaps replace (or intergrate with) gensets in Hospitals, air traffic control centers/towers, water treatment plants/pumping stations, even for military applications. (critical infratrsucture).
Perhaps I’m overly ethusiastic but I can envision energy communities, especially in Southern Europe for example, in apartment buildings where they connect and work with neighbouring apartment buildings sharing clean, safe and, reliable and backed up energy.
Please let me know your thoughts @guystewart
Thanks,
Andrew