Battery problem

Hello,

I would like to ask about this issue?

Here is ChatGPT’s statement on this :slight_smile:

What is happening with Victron

Victron in “hybrid” mode (i.e. combination of PV + grid + battery) does not really communicate with an external inverter like a classic on-grid hybrid, but rather behaves like an off-grid system, where:
• The MPPT controller charges the battery based on the voltage on the DC bus,
• The Multiplus/Quattro (AC-DC converter) takes power from this DC bus according to the current need of the load or grid,
• However, there is no direct coordination of power between them, only a common DC voltage as feedback.

How Victron solves overflows

When the MPPT produces more than the Multiplus can use, the system “solves” it by:
• The MPPT raises the voltage on the DC bus (by about 0.3–0.5 V),
• This “forces” the Multiplus to switch to inverting mode (supplying to AC),
• However, if the Multiplus has nowhere to dissipate power (e.g. full batteries, no consumption, no overflow to the grid),
→ the energy must be lost somewhere.

And the “escape route” is the battery:
its voltage rises slightly, the BMS reacts and starts limiting the current, which causes oscillations between the MPPT and the inverter.

Why does this lead to large currents on the battery

  1. Regulation is feedback via voltage, not via direct current control.
    → Every rapid change in power (e.g. a sudden drop in consumption) leads to a transient current through the battery.
  2. Small DC bus capacity (low inductance / capacitance) →
    even short-term excess power from the panels “flows” through the battery before the MPPT can reduce the power.
  3. Multiplus does not know what the MPPT is doing — they do not communicate via a fast control protocol, so the response is delayed by hundreds of milliseconds.

Result:
:right_arrow: Short spikes in tens to hundreds of amps (depending on the battery capacity and the stiffness of the DC bus).
:right_arrow: These spikes will manifest as unnecessary cycling or cell wear.

Summary
• The description “Victron will raise the DC voltage by 0.5 V to force the inverter to overflow” is absolutely correct.
• The problem with high currents arises because the DC bus and the battery serve as a “buffer” between two non-synchronous sources, without precise coordination of the energy flow.

Yesterday I found out that I probably have two batteries damaged because of this, because they can’t be charged to 100% but stay at about 97%.

I just wanted to ask if anyone has solved this problem, thanks Martin

Batteries are protected by a internal BMS. Normally you cannot damage the batteries except if your configuration is wrong in the BMS.

What is your config/system

configuration:
6 x multiplus-ii
MPPT 150/100
MPPT 150/85
Grid meter output
Grid meter input
Cerbo
7.2kwp
battery 8 x pylontech us3000c

settings are from the installation company