Problems with Pytes V5a - max charging current = 5A/V5a at 65% SOC

Hello,

With the Pytes V5a, the maximum charging current (CCL) is sometimes already reduced to CCL/V5a = 5A at 65% SOC.

If you then discharge briefly - and then charge again, it works again for a while with a higher charging current.

Initially, my assumption was that this was caused by the ambient temperature - as we have not seen this behaviour with other installations (- but with Pylontech,) I have never seen these problems with Pylontech!

But this happens partly independent of the temperature (min. temp. of the storage tank 13 °C as well as 17 °C, 19 °C, 21°, 22°)

e.g.: System with 3 pcs. Multiplus II / 5000 and 4 pcs. V5a
At 54.23V, 64.4A and SOC 66% → the CCL was reduced to 20A -->> i.e. to CCL/V5a = 5A.
This reduction comes from the Pytes BMS.

(Also occurs in systems with 6 V5a units …)

It makes sense to reduce the maximum charging current to 90%. (This is also how Pylontech does it)

I have found a temporary workaround:
If you generally reduce the max charging current by Victron to around 20A/V5a, then the max charging current by Pytes is reduced at 75/80/90%.

Is there a workaround?
Is this a known problem with Pytes?

LG
MPS

This needs to be addressed with the battery manufacturer as that control is sent by the BMS, it has nothing to do with the Victron system.

Hello,
I agree with you 100%!
Unfortunately I am not getting any feedback from Pytes on this.

I sent inquiries to Pytes a month ago - but no response!

BR

Ouch, that is a poor show.

Hi
i have same Problems
Can you share your “workaround”

@bindpe

The work around is reducing the CCL near full.
This can be done in DVCC - where the battery should be doing it.

Normally the battery reduces the CCL based on the cell voltages.
You should take a look at that.
There is a widget for the min/max cell voltage.

Dear
In this menue?
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I oparate a Victron Multiplus II with 1pc Pytes V5,

With the Pytes V5a, the maximum charging current (CCL) is already reduced to CCL/V5a = 5A at 65% SOC.

This reduction comes from the Pytes BMS. Is this a known problem with Pytes ?

In this „reduction time“ a lot of energy (0,6kwh) is sent back to grid, insteat to Pytes battery


Can i evade this problem with CCL setting in DVCC Menue?

thanks

Hi Peter,

If you generally reduce the maximum charging current through Victron to around 20A/V5a, the charging current through Pytes will only be reduced to 5A/V5a at 80/90%.

You can find this in the Victron settings in the DVCC tab → Charging current limit ON → Maximum charging current XX .

This works better for installations with Pylontech. These also reduce at 90%, which is fine and makes sense.

Unfortunately, the only answer I got from Pytes was:
“Please contact your distributor”…
Another reason to choose Pylontech in the future…

Dear mps
thank you for your help
in my measurement charging current is “only” 16.8A, despite i got this problem
perhaps i node red flow whould help ? Reducing charge current dependence on SOC.
Otherwise i woud waste energy to grid?

In the in the DVCC tab → What maximum charging voltage have you set?

56 V and max charging current 20 A works

Dear I will test ist
Are you shure with 56 V maximum charging?
According to Pytes V5 Webinar, it shold bei 55V?

In this diagramm max charg Current 0,05C( 5A) @55V?

Thank you for your help

Cell voltages?

min/max cell Voltages

is it possile to read out all 16 cells?


Are these values correct,


Maybe the temperature is limiting the charge current?
Try to heat up the battery a bit.


According webinar, limit should be 0,3C=30A
will try tomorrow
thank you

The V5 has a built in automatic heating element. See if it is disabled.

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Good morning

I did another interesting measurement yesterday. I had the settings as above. Max charging voltage set to 55V.

Yesterday from around 10:30 to 14:00 it was completely active again within this 5A limit, then even went down further to 1A, SOC was at 62%

After that I deactivated the above setting, i.e. no voltage limit.

From this point on the voltage was increased to around 56.4V, (current 1A) SOC rose to 97% within around 20 minutes and then to 100%

My theory: The BMS was completly wrong about SOC . I’ve only been using the battery since the beginning of February and it was between 20 and 60% the whole time, I think it “learned” again yesterday

I’ll keep an eye on it

If you don’t reach 100% for a while the cells are drifting apart and at the next full charge it needs a while to balance the cells.
During the balancing the charge current gets reduced more and more until it synchronizes to 100%.

I would recommend to disable the voltage limit to let the BMS do it’s job properly.