Overpanel Oversize PV Array CONFUSION

I have searched for clarification on the MAXIMUM wattage for a PV array when using a Smart Solar MPPT charge controller.
This is from an article on this site that suggests that the ONLY limits to over paneling are :
Isc and Voc. Nothing about wattage. If there is a REAL limit to wattage, why not just publish it?

Limits to Oversizing a PV array

How to determine by how much you can oversize a PV array? This can be done with help from the spreadsheet tool. Here though is the manual explanation of how it is done.

There are two limits, when determining the maximum array size that can be connected to an MPPT:

  1. The Maximum PV open circuit voltage (Voc at STC)
  2. The Maximum PV short circuit current (Isc at STC)

Both values are specified in the datasheets of all our MPPT Solar Charge Controllers. Those two ratings of the PV array must not exceed these MPPT limits.

Note that these two maximum ratings must not be multiplied to determine the maximum installable peak power. Instead, each of them needs to checked by itself:

What exact information are you looking for here?

The nominal wattages, which depend on the nominal voltage of the bank being charged, are clearly published. Overpaneling in terms of wattage by 25% or so to help counteract non-ideal solar conditions is supported. The hard limits are in input voltage and current, not wattage.

Hi Justin,
I Don’t think that @Peterc3333 is after information, this seems more a statement of fact.
Peeter: The maximum array size on installs can be up to the limits you describe, though for larger arrays the maximum size is more normally limited by practical considerations such as available space or cost.
You get your array size from the energy you need, combined with your expected insolation. Oversizing an array by 15 - 20% from this is common, it helps with performance on cloudy days.
Oversizing by 50% for off grid systems will result in reduced generator running, but there are economic trade-offs. There is an excelent software suite produced by Homer Energy that allows you to calculate these factors.

My application is on a sail boat where there are periods when the panels are shaded or pointing in an inconvenient direction (or both). I have a 12 volt system with 300 Ah of batteries. I have a Smart Solar 100/30. As a former controls engineer, I am prone to ruminating on minutia. In trying to size the PV array, it would be nice to know the real wattage limit. Since PV panels are quite inexpensive, the most cost effective system might be one with with a small controller and batteries and a large PV array.

From the manual:
MPPT 100/30
Battery voltage (auto select) 12V or 24V
Rated charge current 30A
Nominal PV power, 12V 1a,b 440W
Nominal PV power, 24V 1a,b 880W
Maximum PV open circuit voltage 100V
Max. PV short circuit current 2 35A
Using the MPPT calculator and selecting an Aptos Solar Technology 440W-34V DNA-120-MF10-440W panel, it suggests a Smart Solar 100/30. It shows a Voc of 41.34V and Isc of 13.80A. When I add a second one in series, it jumps up to a 100/50, even though the Voc (2x 41.34V = 82.68V) is still below 100V and the Isc remains at 13.80A. If I understand this correctly, this gives a power ratio of 200%. I am not concerned that this may be a silly waste of panel capacity due to clipping. I am very concerned that this configuration might damage the controller. If it won’t damage the controller, fine. I will select a string below 880Watts. If it would damage the controller I have 2 questions:

  1. How?
  2. What is the maximum wattage that would be safe for the controller?
    Thanks very much for your quick responses.

There are always 3 Limits:

  1. Power in Watt
  2. Voltage in Volts
  3. Current in Ampere

Normally we are talking from overpaneling if the maximum peak power of moduls is greater than the MPPT datasheet. As the sun is rarely that bright to reach max datasheet peak power, overpaneling is a common method to improve performance of the installation. Space restrictions on sail boats may set diffrent rules than overpaneling.

If the produced Watt exceeds the capacity of the MPPT, the only thing what happens is that excess power will be lost. As the sun is rarely that bright, …

If the produced Volt exceeds the capacity of the MPPT, the semiconductors and / or capacitors inside the MPPT will be destroyed. You might exceed the voltage without overpaneling using installations of modul Watt power much smaller than allowed MPPT power. Its simply a question of series or parallel wiring.

If the Ampere exceeds the capacity of MPPT datasheet, the things become more complicated to understand. Mainly currents are also a question of series or parallel wiring of the modules and it is also possible to destroy MPPT by current without any overpaneling.

3a)
One of the MPPT features is a reverse polarity protection. In the RS450 datasheet it is mentioned, that reverse polarity protection will be destroyed if maximum short circuit current is exceeded. With other words: Nothing will be damaged as long as you do not accidently connect your modules in reverse polarity. You might do overpaneling the usable Watts for your installation with the RS450 MPPTs.

3b)
The main task of the MPPT is to limit charge current from modules to feed the battery. This is normally done by using a inductor. Currents through inductors are late against the voltage. Therefore a Mosfet will simply switch on and off the module in the time what fits to the required current to charge battery. As high currents require big inductors and big inductors cause high design costs, all design engineers try to keep the inductor as small as possible to have a competitive MPPT to sell.

To reach this goals, the MPPTs are based on 2 diffrent tricks. Trick no. 1 is to limit the MPPT to the connection of PV modules as power source. PV modules have a high intrinsic resistance. The size depends from modul installation size and sun brightness. This intrinsic resistance can be combined with the MPPT inductor to limit the current to the battery. According the law of Ohm, a higher modul intrinsic resistance will result in a lower short circuit current. This is the reason, why todays MPPT normally have a maximum short circuit current in their data sheet.

With trick number 2, electronic designers have the possibility to decrease their inductor size by faster switching. As todays Mosfets and other electronic components might switch pretty fast, it could be possible the MPPT might limit a current what is greater than its datasheet very succesfull. 20 years ago, SMA had some galvanic isolated inverters what where explicitely spezified for use with low impedance sources. I assume, Victrons RS450 MPPT can do this too, although they are not specifed in the datasheet for that use. Be carefull with the older Victron PWM charge controllers. The function completely relies on intrinsic modul resistance and they will be distroyed by overpaneling.

As a rule of thumb, overpaneling the current in moderate size will be ok. Most datasheets show current and voltage what is over the maximum processed power. Good MPPT designs with fast enough circuits will be also possible to limit almost infinite currents from low impedance sources like batteries although their are not specified for doing this.

If you dont understand this all, simply trust the Victron design calculator without asking how the calculation works.

Boats and “cost effective” should never be together in one sentence :smiling_face_with_sunglasses:

Thank you very much for your extensive answer. (And the gentle reminder that boat stands for “break out another thousand”)
Unfortunately, my underlying question remains: Will it damage my Smart Solar 100/30 MPPT controller if I connect TWO Aptos Solar Technology 440W-34V DNA-120-MF10-440W panels in a series string to charge my 300Ah of 12 VDC batteries? Voc (2x 41.34V = 82.68V) is below 100V and the Isc is 13.80A is WAAAAY below 30A (or 35A). Thanks again.

If shading is the concern, you don’t want two panels in series on one controller - instead, use two smaller controllers, one for each panel, so that if one panel is shaded the other one can still be producing at full capacity.

This is because 440w / 13.5v (ie, 12vNom battery bank) = 32.59A theoretical charging output current, therefore 100/30 for a single panel. Realistically of course you’d never see that theoretical ideal, but if you put 880w into the same controller, you’re just throwing away half of your potential charging. A 100/30 can only output 30A of charge current regardless of how much wattage you put into it.

Hi Justin: Thanks for the replies!!! With regard to the series shading question, if I find that to be a problem, I could always parallel the 2 panels and still be under the max Isc:
Isc is 13.80A x 2 = 27.60is still below the 30A (or 35A)Maximum. I already have the 100/30 and do not want to buy more MPPT’s.
With regard to “throwing away half of your potential charging”, since the panels are the least expensive part of the system, the benefits of more hours per day at higher charging current AND less degradation due to things like salt spray, shading, panel aging etc., etc., make over paneling seem like a no brainer. As long as I am “throwing away half of your potential charging” and NOT damaging the controller since the 100/30 only uses power it needs, up to that 30A charging, that would be great. If the 880 Watts damages the controller, I would be very unhappy with that.

If I respect:
Maximum PV open circuit voltage = 100V AND Max. PV short circuit current = 35A, will the controller be safe?

Thanks again for your (and everyone else’s) answers!
Peter

Here is that article that I referenced earlier that says:
There are two limits, when determining the maximum array size that can be connected to an MPPT:
The Maximum PV open circuit voltage (Voc at STC)
The Maximum PV short circuit current (Isc at STC)