MPPT selection

I have 4x660W panels with Voc=45,9 V and Isc=20,11A. Outdoor temperature -20C shall be considered.

So for -20 Voc=0,25/100x(25+20)*45,9+45,9=51,06 V.
Series connection gives 102,12 V. This is too much for 100/50 mppt.

But we have such low temperatures in winter time only, when max irradiance is below 300W/m2, so panel actually has Voc=42,9V (i have precise value only for 800W/m2 but see from graph, that for lower irradiance it is maybe even 1V below) for +25, so for -20 it shall have Voc=0,25/100x(25+20)*42,9+42,9=47,7 V 2x47,7=95,4< 100V

What do you think, can use victron 100/50A mppt for 2s2p connection? All panels will have incline 35deg, first will be directed east and second west.

What battery voltage ?

Considering 24V 100Ah LiFePO4

With two completely different directions (east, west) consider two MPPTs. One for each direction.

So were talking about 110 amperes in total @ 24v

So the 100/50 is out…

But your 100Ah battery will be full in one hour, what is the sun supposed to do for the rest of the day ?

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  1. You are correct, its oversized, but i have this panels for free and looking how to install them. Location is remote, so transportation is almost price of the panel, so just selling them will not work.
    I have 4 panels 660W at 1000W/m2. In June and July (at 60deg north) we have global solar irradiance up to575 W/m2. So we get maximum installed power 1520W for June/July during maximum hour and expected solar energy output from panels 12kWh/day. For October pvgis calculates peak production 500W and daily production 2,4kWh/day.
  2. I don’t plan to charge battery with 1C, considered not over 0,5C.
  3. Daily consumption on site during summer is around 25% of battery capacity.
  4. Why 100/50 is out? is it wrong to consider decrease of open circuit voltage depending on total irradiance?
  1. Actually it don’t see how it solves my issue with Voc. But why is having two separate MPPT is better?
  2. Is i install two MPPT, should i make them communicate somehow or how this solution works? Any theory or example?

THAT changes everything, why didn’t you give us this information to start with ?

Now I am confused.
First post statement:: 35deg east and west.
For two different direction you should use two MPPT trackers due.

Last post: 60deg north.

How many panels do you have in which direction and elevation and on what geo location?

If your panels will never reach Voc due to significant different conditions to at STC (1000W/m2 @ 25C), than you might be able to use the 100/50.

In ideal system a GX device will coordinate the MPPTs and inverter (MultiPlus) via VE.direct und VE.CAN.

What is the MPPT calculator telling you?

Sorry, wrong expression.
Slope is 35deg. Gable roof. Direction east and west.
60Nord - latitude, to explain solar irradiance changes.

This is not taking into account irradiance changes.

GX device and accessories cost 2x MPPT price, doesn’t look rational.

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Can two MPPTs be connected directly with date cable? Or GX device is required?

Why do you want to connect them ?

As I understand if I’m trying to put them into parallel work, communication between units it’s necessary to optimize performance and avoid “conflicts”? Or i’m wrong?

Hi Havoc, many of these fundamentals can be found in the manuals and free training at professional.victronenergy.com
With multiple chargers you do want to coordinate charging.
You can do this on small, often DC only, systems with smart networking.
On larger systems, you would use a GX and all the devices would be connected there and DVCC used to coordinate the devices and to choose shared sensors for current etc (worth a read of chapter 11 of the Cerbo manual).
With lithium batteries that are managed, then the battery will control all the chargers.

My three mppt’s and the multiplus have a combined power that is still below the allowed charging current of the batteries, so they don’t need guidance.

The smartshunt publishes the battery voltage to the chargers so they can compensate the wiring losses.

That may be fine for your application, but it doesn’t suit all applications.
Not sure how your shunt can share its data without some form of networking present, which is the main point.
For typical use cases, with battery management, the system will want to vary its parameters and shared comms are needed for that.
Where installs aren’t constrained by PV, the ability to charge may well exceed the battery requirements or be above the desired C rating, thus centralised control is helpful.
So, coordination is best practice, but not mandatory.
It is up to the system designer to determine what is appropriate for their configuration, knowing the options helps the decision making.