EM540 and ET112

Hello,
I want to connect an EM540 meter and ET112 parallel on the same RS485 bus with changed addresses.
The refresh rate of the ET112 is 750ms and the refresh rate of the EM540 is 100ms.

Is this supported in the Multiplus II GX to read out the EM540 @100ms and the ET112 @750ms or will this refresh rate be limited to the slowest device?

Also, I’m replacing my old ET340 grid meter because apparantly the refresh rate of 1000ms is too slow for accurate control of the ESS. Is the EM540 the best choice for replacement?

Thank you

Hi i think it will work, they both send data at a different modbus adress with their own speed

I used to run an et340 and an et112 this way on the same cable

Okay thank you.

To dubbelcheck, do you think it’s possible that a ‘slow’ meter like the ET340 can cause the ESS to poorly regulate the setpoint and thus lose a decent amount of energy to the grid instead of the battery or direct use?

I hope the EM540 will solve this issue.

What do you think?

Thanks !!

I used to have a et340 and now a em540 on my 3phase multiplus 2 ess, both worked fine for me

it is faster, you cant see that on vrm but in remote console its visible, response from the system is faster too but it will always balance on grid and ise power feom grid

But whats your setpoint?

Okay I will order an EM540 an check the results.
I’m primarily scared that the parallel ET112 will interfere with the refresh rate.

The setpoint on the screenshot is 10W.
Currently I’ve increased to 50W and this clearly helps a bit.

In another installation I use the VM-3P75CT with a 10W setpoint and I have <1% ‘loss’ of solar power to the grid. This got me thinking that the refresh rate could be the issue.

Worst case you will have to connect them separate to the gx with a rs485 to usb converter

10w is low, so difficult for the system to keep it there 50w is standard, mine is -50w to keep feeding in from grid as low as possible

Yes indeed. I use a multiplus GX so I desperately want to keep my single USB connector :wink:

Okay thanks, I will continue using ± 50W.

Do you think the difference between the EM540 and ET340 setpoint performance will be noticeable?

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You can use a good quality powered usb hub, one of my multiplus 2 is a GX too, so i had to use a usb hub (6 ve direct to usb and 1 rs485 to usb)

Yes it is faster but if it will solve your problem is difficult to say

Which hub can you recommend?
Online I’ve seen some discussions about which works and which doens’t.

Thanks !

Im using this one for 2 years without issues, its a cheap farnell own brand powered usb hub

But it comes without a power supply, u have to order that separate

But any powered “brand” hub is fine

https://nl.farnell.com/multicomp-pro/u2-10hub/usb-2-0-hub-bus-powered-10port/dp/3651842

Just as a data point: I’m currently using the grid operator’s smart meter as my grid meter, which gives me readings very 5 seconds via MQTT, and with a grid setpoint of -10W my “solar to grid” is at those 10Wh every hour, even with changing lighting and the corresponding fluctuations in PV production (that number is the same in VRM and the smart meter).
So while I see the expected slow regulation of load spikes, it seems your high numbers are not necessarily related to the meter’s update speed…

Okay interesting !
Do you have any other ideas then?
I have a very similar installation with a VM-3P75CT and sunny boy over ethernet as only differences. There I the system can manage the 10W setpoint quite well.

As the meters are the only difference, that’s my main suspect :slight_smile:

Sorry, I only have experience with that single system…

Hello all,

I think I have narrowed down the problem.
The difference between the two installations I have is that one is using the VM-3P75CT and the other one is using the ET340.
The difference between the two meters is their vector registration way of measuring (see documentation).

So while the grid setpoint was 10W, there was a consumer on L3 and thus the solar panels were injecting on L1 to keep the setpoint 10W.
On the VM-3P75CT installation, this energy was recorded as ‘solar-to-direct-use’.
On the ET340 installation on the otherhand, this energy was recorded as ‘grid-to-direct-use’ and ‘solar-to-grid’.
Only consumers on L1 were recorded (as I would expect) as ‘solar-to-direct use’.

I’m 90% confident that this is the issue. This also explains why @cmock has a working system with a ‘slow meter’ as the measuring speed is not the source of the problem.
I will update after the weekend.

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Are u using multiphase regulation or not, that could make a difference too

In NL multiphase is your best option

Yes, both installations use ‘total of all phases’.

EM540 is measuring at 10Hz and VRM graphs are fixed.
Thanks all

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