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Smart Battery Sense and Phoenix IP43 Charger

Hi from Australia.

I am looking at a Phoenix IP43 (3) charger for 3 battery banks on a boat.

Can someone please confirm that the Smart Battery Sense will connect to it via Bluetooth as I would rather not install the charger in the engine room.

Thanks

Tony

Tasmania

tonus72 asked
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Maximum input voltage for Smart Battery Sense

The datasheet says the Smart Battery Sense (I have the blue one) is compatible with 48V battery banks. A "48V" LiFePo4 bank can be as high as 58V. Is this OK? I ask because some time ago I hooked one up and it never worked so I'm wondering if I fried it with too high of a voltage. I have a new one and don't want to kill it also.

tduncklee asked
dmikits commented ·

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Orion TR Smart & Smart Battery Sene

Hi. I’m hoping to use the Orion TR Smart with the Smart Battery Sense.

Currently it shows these are not compatible with each other.

Will this be fixed with a software update? Or is this a hardware issue?

Thanks!

wetride asked
eupeixoto answered ·

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Smart solar 150/70 overcharging at 16.1v

The setup is as follows.

multiplus 3000

280 amp hour lithium phosphate

1 - smart solar mppt 150/70, connected to 2 - 385 watt 48 volt panels

1 - 75/15 blue solar mppt connected to 200 watt 48 volt panel

1 - 100/15 smart solar mppt connected to a 200 watt 48 volt panel

and a overkill 120amp bms


I have manually set all controllers to 12 volts.

I disconnected all controllers by removing the negative wire to the battery. This was in attempt to figure out why the voltage stated on the mppt controllers display via the color control gx was saying max volt 16.1v. Upon disconnecting 2 solar controllers (150/70 and the 100/15 smartsolar) the voltage at the bms slowly went down to 13.5v. I tested the voltage at the output of the 150/70 and the 100/15 and the both said 16v. The charge algorithm is set to lithium phosphate and each device was factory reset in an attempt rectify the issue.

They have been disconnected now for 2 days. I will test again in a bit to see if anything has changed.

any idea what would cause a 16v charge. Equalization is turned off. Manually set to 12v on each mppt controller

thanks

kevin


kevins asked
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Battery Monitoring on Sailboat

I have an 16 year old Jeanneau Sun Odyssey. The former battery capacity controller died on me and I am upgrading the system to VICTRON slowly.


I refited Solarpanels and a VICTRON MPPT Charge Controller for it, which is connected to the batteries.
The Alternator is connected via a VICTRON ARGO FET to the 3 battery banks (motor, service, bowthruster) and I still have an old 220V charger for shorepower, which is connected to the batteries.

Now I would like to add a battery management and stay on course with VICTRON (I have three smart battery senses for each bank as well).

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What I would like to know:
- State of each battery (and an early detection if one is about to die, as unfortantely not all are the same age or the same Ah - but all are 100Ah +/- 5%)
- Battery Level (in Volt and %)
- Time to full charge
- Time to fully discharged
- Unloading Level / Loading Level
- See data from a few days ago and compare, to find possible consumer peaks

What do I need for this? Is a 500A SmartShunt sufficient? Do I need a CerboGX? Is the grafical Display in the app good or should I invest in the touch display? I trying to find a good, but cost efficient way for this, as its a boat - everything is expensive and has been expensive enough.

obione asked

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DC to DC charger config for 2020-21 GMC Sierra HD alternator profile

Has anyone published the auto on profile settings for 2020-21 GMC Sierra HD trucks? Mine keeps thinking the engine has turned off when it has not.

kwyer asked

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Max charge current setting on MPPT

Setting the max charge current on the MPPT,


Thinking of using a 100/50.


Will that be the max the MPPT will output at all given times?

My battery only has a max charge current of 30a. But my solar capacity would exceed 30a. If the battery is charging at 30a, and I have 50a of solar available what happens to the other 20a? Would be to used by the inverter if a load is turned on? Or would it not be available because of the max charge current set on the MPPT.


I assume DVCC would be helpful in this scenario but it is a small system I am trying to do it as minimal as possible.


Would Smart Battery Sense help identify what is going into the battery and what is surplus solar?


Or do I need a GX and have DVCC enabled.


Thanks in advance.

Isaac Shannos asked
Mike Dorsett answered ·

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Lynx Smart BMS Extra Voltage Monitoring?

So I'm building a catamaran with a LFP house bank and plan on using a Lynx Smart BMS + Cerbo type system. I'd like to have some info on each engine starter battery voltage via the Cerbo, but throwing a Smart Shunt on each battery seems like it might be a bit of overkill as I don't need SoC, just want to see the voltage. Is there a better way to do this? Can the Smart Battery Sense connect to the Cerbo somehow?

hoeken asked

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Smart battery sense with older MPPT

Asking again as no answers so far!

I would like to try a smart battery sense on my system. BMV700 and two MPPT 150/35 and 100/30. All three units have a blue tooth dongle. But my question, the MPPT 100/30 is the older type that takes it’s current from the solar array and not the battery. Will this still work?

thesee asked
Alexandra answered ·

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What is the difference between the 2 Smart Battery Sense devices?

What is the difference between the 2 Smart Battery Sense devices? The Black one is called Smart Battery Sense (3M) and the Blue one is called Smart Battery Sense (10M). I read the instructions and it does not point out any difference between the two.


TIA

Dave asked
wkirby answered ·

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Smart Battery Sense - Stored data

How long does the Smart Battery Sense stored data onboard, it appears that no data is stored on the unit itself, so if out of Bluetooth range, will no 12v battery data be logged and therefore no available later?

mbookham asked
wkirby answered ·

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Best option to get battery temperature sensing?

Hi,

I want to provide battery temperature sensing to improve charging with my two BlueSolar MPPT 100/50 chargers with bluetooth dongle (in parallel, I know, I cannot synchronize them). I see two options, either go with the wired battery temp sensor (ASS000100000) for the BMV-712 that I have, or use one of the smart battery sense (SBS050100200, SBS050150200) that will be seen in the network.

Which is a better option?

Thank you in advance

fede-h asked
fede-h commented ·

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Smart Battery Sense data in VRM through MPPT75/10

Hi,

My setup is Smart Battery Sense with bluetooth connection to MPPT 75/10, which has a VE.Direct USB cable to Raspberry Pi.


The MPPT can see the data from the smart battery sense, and in VRM I can see the MPPT. But I cant see the data from the Smart Battery Sense. Is this normal? I expected that the MPPT would pass on ALL data to the VRM portal.


Thanks,


Cameron

Cameron Gillies asked
Sascha Nicklich answered ·

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Smart battery sense No blue light

Got the smart battery sense today. Hooked it up to my 48 volt battery bank, did not get blue light flashing or no error light. Charge controller is a smartsolar 150/70-tr. Checked fuse, looks ok. Charge controller works fine with ve. Connect. Any ideas.

clyde0728 asked
kziolk commented ·

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Dashboard Smart Battery Sense in BT + Smart Solar

Warum werden in Dashboard nicht die Temperaturdaten von der Batterie angezeigt ? .
Ich hab ein Smart Battery Sense in BT Netzwerk mit den Smart Solar Regler 100/20 vernetzt.
Was muss ich in Venus OX (Raspberry Pi3) einstellen?



Why is the temperature data from the battery not showing in the dashboard? . I have networked a Smart Battery Sense in BT network with the Smart Solar Controller 100/20. What do I have to set in Venus OX (Raspberry Pi3)?

sparfux68 asked

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Help... 3 PV arrays, 3 MPPT and 2 battery banks

Hi - I have 3 separate solar arrays, each feeding into its own 75/15 MPPT which then feeds 2 separate battery banks (which can be individually selected or linked with a selector switch)


I guess my question is should/could all this be run on a single VE network? (I have 2 shunts, 2 BMS, 2 smart protect, 2 battery sense and 2 LiFePo 100Ah batteries)

My other question is if I link the batteries in parallel, which battery should I put the smart battery sense on? or shich should I connect to the BMS or use both?

Many thanks for all your help

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alex-2 asked
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Do I need a BMV to use the Smart Battery Sense?

I am waiting for better weather to install my solar charger etc to my campervan so I was looking at the demo mode of the victron app on my phone.

I have a smart solar 100/30 and phoenix ip43 12/30 and in demo mode there are warnings in the low temperature shut off (because I have a lifepo4 battery). Am I reading this right that the battery sense is basically pointless without a BMV?

Is this to force people to buy the BMV for ... reasons?

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dwiea asked
Guy Stewart (Victron Community Manager) answered ·

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Smart Battery Sense + MPPT 75/15 stop charging at low temp?

Just installed a lithium battery in my camper. Can my MPPT 75/15 be programmed to stop charging below freezing? Yes, I know lithium BMS should stop charging from happening , but I found out after buying this one it doesn't. Not in freezing weather that much, so it's probably not a big deal. I'll just shut off the solar until it warms up.


2nd Question: Will I be able to see the sensor temperature via Victron Connect?


Thanks,

Ralph


rgrver asked
marc-de-montreal commented ·

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Smart lithium ve network

Can the smart lithium battery wirelessly communicate through a Bluetooth ve network to a Smart charging devices such as a smart MPPT?

Eliminating the need for a Smart Battery Sense that would normally wirelessly connect to the MPPT to adjust for voltage drop?

justin-lesage asked
Stefanie answered ·

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SmartSolar and AC Shore Power Charger

How can I disable MPPT going into Bulk in the morning when my boat is connected to the shore power and the batteries are at Float level kept by the AC charger? Thanks.


rostyvyg asked
rslifkin answered ·

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Cerbo Gx with ET112+Smart devices

This is the equipment I have:


  • Cerbo GX and GX Touch 50
  • 2 x ET112 connected with 2 RS485 to USB Adapters
  • SmartShunt 1000A connected via VE Direct Cable
  • 3 Smart Battery Sense
  • 1 Orion-Tr Smart 12/12-18 isolated


Connections:

1 Et 112 to generator Output

1 Et 112 to Shore power line

SmartShunt to Service battery

1 Smart Battery Sense engine battery

1 Smart Battery Sense thruster battery

1 Smart Battery Sense for a secondary battery


Questions :

  1. How can I connect the Smart Battery Sensors to Cerbo in order to get voltage information?
  2. If the above is not possible, how can I get voltage information from other batteries?
  3. How can I insert the on AC Input to show me voltage of the grid?
  4. Is it possible to have separate information for the Generator output?
  5. How can I setup an alarm whenever the shore power is being disconnected?

martinis-thanasis asked
wkirby answered ·

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How to connect Victron Smart Battery Sense on Pylontechs?

Hi all

I am currently contemplating of adding a 2nd Victron MPPT to my system. As I am not using a GX in my system (using Axperts as inverters), I am looking to use a Smart Battery Sense to create a VE.Smart Network to synchronise the charging of the 2 MPPTs.

But I now have 2 practical questions, which I hope someone might be able to help with:

  1. I understand that the Smart Battery Sense is supposed to be connected directly to the battery's terminals. But how do I best do that for Pylons - given their non-standard terminals? Or do I connect the Smart Battery Sense to the end of the Pylon connection cable (where it connects to my DC busbar)?
  2. I am currently having 4x Pylons connected via a single Pylon connection cable (120A). As with the 2nd MPPT I might in theory be producing up to 135A, I thought it would be safer to add another Pylon connection cable (even though I don't think that the full 135A would ever be pushed into the Pylons as my load also still needs to be supplied). How would I connect the Smart Battery Sense when using 2 sets of Pylon connection cables?

Thanks in advance for inputs

wolfandy asked
wolfandy commented ·

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Smart Battery Sense

I am wiring a 100/50 MPPT on my boat, it will go through a lot of wiring to the battery. I plan to have a battery switch that can swap the solar/mppt to my starting battery if ever needed BUT if I have the Battery Sense on my house bank, will this cause issues?

kyle-mccombs asked
lehrling answered ·

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Adhesive to mount Smart Battery Sense?

I have replaced the battery the Smartsense is mounted on. What adhesive is appropriate to use to mount it on the new battery without impacting its function?

john-mc asked
Mark answered ·

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Cyrix ct-li

Has anyone used a Cyrix ct-li to connect a high-power 12V vehicle charging system with lead-acid batteries to a 400AH (non-Victron) battery system (Battleborn, 4x100AH parallel connected, built-in BMS)?

What prevents the 400AH of LIFePO4 batteries sucking down very high charge currents (perhaps 400A) and overloading the vehicle alternator (rated 250Apeak, but reports suggest better run at <150A for extended duration to avoid overheating).

What cuts off overcharging the LiFePO4 batteries?


Any better suggestions for charging the house batteries? The rest of the system is basically a Victron MultiPlus 12/3000/120 and downstream 12V and 120V loads.

neilhunt asked
neilhunt answered ·

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I have a smart sense, can I install a smart shunt?

I have a

250w panel

2x 105ah batteries

and a 100/20 Mppt regulator ,


I have a battery smart sense fitted an networked to the regulator,


would fitting a smart shunt to this system work ok or would there be any problem let with it networked to the regulator, thanks

freelanderuk asked
freelanderuk commented ·

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Battery voltage greater than set voltage on Phoenix IP43 charger plus it now communicates with the BatterySense!

I have a Phoenix !P43 50/3 charger that after the last couple of firmware updates seems to have a higher output voltage than is set for Absorption/Float by 0.10-0.15v. Eg Absorption set to 14.60v on the app....actual battery voltage is 14.74v. Float voltage set to 13.05..actual voltage 13.20v.

This is measured both with the BatterySense and my calibrated Fluke multimeter...both readings are identical which is pretty impressive for the BatterySense I thought!

Whilst its easy to lower the voltage setting to get the correct battery setting I was wondering if any one else had noticed this?

Also thanks to the latest firmware update the Charger works with the BatterySense module which also means it compensates for any voltage drop between the charger and the battery bank which is useful when shunts etc are in the line. It does seem you can only have one BatterySense on the network though so can only monitor one out of the three possible banks that you could connect to the charger.

Look forward to hearing from anyone about this!

frangar asked
frangar commented ·

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Control maximal Charge Current from SmartSolar MPPT 150/85 with BMV 712

Dear Victron,

I have installed an oversize PV System in relation to the battery in my car (Old VW T2), which I use to demonstrate PV opportunities in Indonesian rural areas. (https://www.instagram.com/pVwKombiWanderer_t2/). All installation is private financed by us and we try to promote renewable energy to rural places in Indonesia without any payback. But step by step the local media ask us for interviews and talks in the television and we start our blog in Indonesian on YouTube :D

1. The Panels can produce 1,16 kWp under STC. Size was chosen based on the maximal allowed space on the roof.

2. SmartSolar MPPT 150/85 charge my battery with an additional SmartBatterySense and BatteryProtect BP-100.

3. Just one Luminious SMF 12V 200h is installed due to weight and lack of space (I know this is not ideal, but it is an old car and 69 kg for each battery is just really heavy)

4. SUOER FPC D1000A Pure Sinus Wave Inverter (1000W continuous power/2000W peak power)

To increase the maximal life-cycle of the battery under tropical high temperature I reduce the maximal charge current to C10, which means 20A. When I demonstrate it to the people I put some big load to my Pure Sinus Wave Inverter. Since my PV System can easily produce more than 80 A on the 12V site at daylight, I need a device which can change the maximal charge current depends from the load.

The BMV 712 can easily read the current and direction of the current which going in and out of the battery and it can be easily connected via Bluetooth to the other devices.

Is there a possibility to drive the MPPT from the SmartSolar MPPT 150/85 with the measured current from BMV 712 so that the net current to the battery is limited to 20 A?


Or is there another device which can do this which is available in Indonesia, because Victron parts I bring directly from Germany? I didn't buy the BMV on those time due to lack of money, but now because of the response and the interest I need a solution.

It is so great to see the people step by step understanding renewable energy and with my background as a physicist i can explain them a lot :D

I am really happy for any advices or helps.

Thank very much.

Best regards,

Pelangi

pvwkombiwanderer asked
JohnC answered ·

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How to wire my Cerbo GX to the rest of my Victron components

Hello all,


I'm a bit confused with how to wire my Cerbo GX to the rest of my components in the most optimal way. I'd like to be able to view the status of my system on a mobile device via bluetooth and also view the Cerbo GX web application from that same mobile device.


I have the following components:

- Victron SmartShunt

- Victron 12/3000 MultiPlus

- Victron SmartSolar MPPT Charge Controller

- Victron Orion Tr Smart DC/DC charger

- 1 VE.Direct Cable


The obvious connections to me are:

* MultiPlus -> RJ45 -> Cerbo GX

* SmartShunt -> VE.Direct Cable -> Cerbo GX

* SmartSolar Charge Controller -> VE.Direct Cable -> CerboGX


Here are a few questions:

1. Do I still need a VE.Direct Cable for the SmartShunt and SmartSolar Charge controller since they're bluetooth? Or is the bluetooth only so I can see them within the VictronConnect app via bluetooth?

2. Is it possible to monitor the Orion Tr DC/DC in the Cerbo GX?

3. What are the main differences between what you can view from the Cerbo GX versus what you can view within the Victron Connect app?



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