Phoenix Inverter

Hi,

I have a Phoenix Inverter Compact 2kVA which I have been using satisfactorily for over two years and am now wanting to use my BMV-700 to provide auto cut-out to protect the batteries from excessive drain.

The short question is: can I directly wire the BMV-700 relay into the Phoenix remote switch terminals to achieve this or should I use a further external relay between the two?

The longer background to this is … I changed the DIP switches in the Phoenix to select remote switch operation and wired in a simple manual on/off switch to the terminals on the circuit board. Using this manual switch, the system continues to operate as it has done since 2017. When I replace the on/off switch with the BMV-700 relay, the Phoenix starts up ok (with minimal load of just my internet router), but when my fridge is turned on there is a large, prolonged power drain (c. 1kW) from the batteries (as observed on the BMV-700), the inverter fans start up for a couple of seconds and then the inverter auto powers off (the BMV relay remains on). If I revert to the manual switch everything is fine again (there is of course a very brief power surge when the fridge starts, but it settles to the 100W steady state within a second or so and the inverter fans have no need to activate). I have repeated this three times, each time the fridge causes this large power drain with the BMV but there is no problem with the manual switch. This makes no sense to me!

Any help or thoughts appreciated!

Is it possible to obtain spares for a Multi or Phoenix? For instance, front panel screws and mounting bracket(s) for a multi, and a mainboard for a Phoenix?
thanks
Steve

Hi can someone please explain power assist and what settings I need to choose on my dial. We have a multiplus inverter charger 12/1600/70, Phoenix multi control, 960watts of solar and a 675amp battery bank. When running a honda eu20i generator as shore power to the boat what setting do I need on the dial and also when running a kipor 6.5kv generator as shore power to the what do I need to set the dial at. I presume the marks 1 to 16 represent amps. Thank you

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Hi,

I have a small off grid pv system (300 W peak). My current inverter (Mean Well TS-1000) works well, but has a fairly high idle consumption (20 W) when in on state. It has a saving mode, probably similar to the Phoenixs ECO mode. The problem with the saving mode is, that it does not reliable detect small loads (<5 W). If I connect a small led light bulb only, it switches continuously on and off and causes the light to blink with a with a ~1s interval. This is very annoying and renders the saving mode useless for me.

I was considering to replace it with a Victron Phoenix 12/800 or 12/1200 with VE.Direct, as it seems to have a much lower idle consumption. However, I have read in the manual (page 6), that the inverter has an even higher minimum load of 15W to return from ECO mode.

Therefore, I have the following two questions:

• Can you confirm that the minimum load really cannot be set lower than 15W?
• Will I therefore experience a similar blinking with my LED bulb as a have described above?

Thank you for any advice!

For a small off grid tent lodge , we want to supply limited power to each tent.

We are considering installing :

- 1 battery bank ( 400 A / 48V)

- 1 larger inverter-charger : To eventually recharge the battery bank from a generator, and to supply a larger AC out to the main building / kitchen (probably a Multiplus 48/1200 )

- 1 small inverter for each tent Phoenix 48/250 to limit the wattage available in each tent (hence avoid large consumption drawing the battery bank) , and only provide basic lighting and phone/tablet/laptop recharge .

I do not think this is a problem, but wondering what is the best way to wire between the battery bank and the various inverters ?

Any idea or suggestion will be welcome and highly appreciated.

Thanks

Good day

I have a Venux GX connected to a Phoenix 24V 250VA inverter (and also a BlueSolar 150/35).

On the remote console and also in VRM portal, the inverter is indicating as "off" and not showing any AC load consumption. But in the device list it is indicating as "on" and "inverting" although even there it indicates load as "0W" (whereas in fact the load is around 35W).

Guidance will be appreciated.

When I view the inverter power output through the Venus GX interface, it is much higher than the actual load. (156W indicated vs 89W actual) I confirmed this with a Kill A Watt meter. see here: https://imgur.com/a/knbj4mS

Does anyone have any idea on the reason for the discrepancy or how to correct it?

Phoenix 12V | 800VA Inverter

BlueSolar MPPT 100V | 50A

BMV-702

Venus GX

I have a 2011 phoenix inverter only unit at my off grid property. One night I suffered a series of very short power cuts I.e. Not due to overload or low battery which take a few minutes to restart. I turned the unit off to investigate the following morning. First couple of times, the lights flashed quickly when turning on, then went out, then nothing on the power switch.

There is no mega fuse. I have checked the remote power jumper which is in place and making a circuit. There was no sparking or smell of burning.

I have opened the case and removed a few boards and can see no obvious problems, I.e.,all connectors / ribbon cables seem good.

To me it would look like a bad connection / dry solder somewhere preventing power getting to the switch, but I'm not an electronics engineer, and, although practical, not skilled.

Can anyone suggest where to look? The unit has been disconnected for a couple of weeks, so there is no power left to give me a kick. I have a basic multi meter to test basic stuff...

Thanks!

How Can the default password for the CCgx ACCESS LEVEL change from the defult "ZZZ" password?

AS keeping it on Defult means that the user can change it himself anytime !

I'm posting this on behalf of another user, @Solvan.

Solvan recently posted the results of testing his own Smartsolar units, as well a summary of testing other units stocked by his vendor. These tests demonstrated gross inaccuracy in the units measurement of the current, resulting in premature termination of absorption charge, and incomplete daily charging.

The previous relevant threads can be found here and here . Since posting this, two things have happened:

- Multiple other users have reported the same experiences: @bigbillsd (here), @lnanne (here) and @RedRover (here). Note also, that this topic has come up previously, and been sidestepped. Multiple times, in fact.


- Solvan himself has spoken with me, and informed me he has been completely locked out of the forum, following posting this final thread .

Furthermore, he received an email from Guy Stewart, the moderator here, explicitly stating his posts have been "moderated" as a result of exposing the faults in the MPPT units, and instructing him to provide any further information behind closed doors, instead of publicly releasing it for other owners awareness. He has provided this email, and his response, attached below.

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Additionally, the vendor, who went out of their way to help Solvan test his, and the other units, is now reportedly unable to return the units, for fear of the same persecution, leaving them thousands of dollars out of pocket.

It is also worth noting that Guy Stewart is part of the management staff at Rainbow Solar - of which a large pat of their business is the sales of Victron equipment.

I am very curious to hear if any others are experiencing the same difficulties with their units accuracy, and whether people think this is an acceptable standard of customer support, considering this overtly suppressing negative feedback in an official support service.

Hi all, I am new to all this inverter stuff, I bought a second hand Victron Phoenix compact multi 12/800/35 at a good price. Would anyone have a guide on how to use and setup? I would like to connect a 300w solar panel to the inverter with two 100ah batteries to run some small tools in my shed and a laptop. I don't know anything about this inverter and if it is even working, I did connect a small 12v 7ah battery to see if it would power on. When I press the on switch the green Led light for 1 or 2 seconds and then goes off and the Red alarm Led comes on. Please, would someone send me a link or something like a setup user guide and wiring positions? It came with a plug and a 2-foot length of cable connected to AC in, and a long ethernet leads a small control panel. I don't know where the AC out connections are. Sorry but I am a Victron Noob. So be gentle. Thanks

Hello, i would like to ask if the Phoenix V.E Direct inverters can be connected to Venus or Color control GX V.E. Direct and see it as in the V.E. Bus inverters.

Silly question about a 2010 vintage inverter. I have two in parallel. The bottom left screw will not come out of either panel on either inverter. What is my dysfunctional brain missing?

Bonjour

I have MultiPlus Compact 12 | 2000 | 80-30 230V with BMV 702 and a Phoenix Multi Control. Till a month the Absorption & the Float orange ledlights are flashing all the time. Is this normal? Everything works well but I don't know why is it flashing like that. Thank's in advance.

Hi,

Are the new smart Phoenix inverters compatible with the ccgx via ve.direct. Will the ccgx display the same as the Multiplus?

Regards

Damon

I hawe alarm "lov battery voltage" on 51V check on battery. In manual i read 38V. Instalation don't start. What i can do? Instalation work when sun light and voltage go to 53V with mppt 250/60 smart solar controller. Ewrything its new.

Is it possible to use Pylontech batteries with mppt + venusGX + phoenix inverter for an offgrid application?

Do I need to use a multiplus instead?

Hi,

I found a Phoenix Multiplus second hand for a decent price. Will I be able to properly charge my LiFePo4 batteries with it? I just realized that it is an older inverter/charger — can I manually set my charging profile?

Thanks!

I'm designing an off grid system and I'd potentially like to use a Phoenix Inverter Smart with a Victron Autotransformer. The photo below is what I want to do:

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My question is where should I attach the ground relay control (shown above) and is this setup compatible with the Phoenix Inverter smart?

From the Victron Autotransformer manual (page 3), I see that,

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From the Phoenix Inverter Smart manual (page 9), I see that,

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Since the system is in a vehicle does that mean I simply need to connect the ground relay control wire to the same ground as the inverter?

Thanks for your help and let me know if you need any more details!

My Phoenix 12/750 shows a red light on the status. Switching on/off, disconnecting the cables and putting back didn’t help. What ca I do? Thanks!

I have a Victron/Fronius zero-feed-in ESS system using high-cycle life AGM batteries. I want to use the top 20% for ESS and the bottom 80% in case of grid failure.

The batteries discharged to the set point (80%) and are basically staying there, despite there being plenty of excess solar capacity available, as well as the grid. Today it charged to 83%, but did this very slowly.

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Why would it be discharging the battery, in the middle of the day, when there is plenty of solar available? Should it not be charging to 100% while it can?

In fact the ve.bus state has been absorption ever since I activated ESS, never bulk. It would seem that if there is tons of PV and grid power available, and it's roughly the middle of the day, it should be bulk charging.

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The Fronius inverters were automatically detected and are being controlled well by ESS. Feed-In sometimes overshoots but is corrected in under a second or so when loads change.

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ESS settings:

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The manual says this:

4.3.1 Mode
Optimized (with BatteryLife) and Optimized (without BatteryLife)
At times when there is excess PV power, the PV energy is stored in the battery. That stored energy is then used later, to power the loads at times when there is a shortage of PV power.

Maybe since it is limiting the Fronius' power for zero feed-in, it thinks there is no excess solar? is that possible?

Do I need to use charge windows to fix this?

Thanks!

I need an Inverter in the 3000VA range. Ideally I want an easy way of driving a pump as opportunity load.

The Multiplus should have 2 AC outs as I understand it. It also has a multipurpose relay. Can the 2nd AC out programmed to come live due to whatever state I want it to programme it or is it only ever live/off due to AC in available or not?

The Phoenix unit is not much cheaper than the Multiplus but is missing quite a lot of features due to the missing charger part but the inverter specs look the same on paper. The Phoenix is however advertised as for industrial use and uses a special HF something or other. Is the Phoenix more capable in any regard or is the Multiplusses inverter side just as capable with a ridicolous good package price? I dont actually need the charger.

Does the Phoenix multipurpose relay have the same assistants available as the Multiplus? With the inverted generator start from the other day, the opportunity load could be engaged reasonably easy if available.

How does AES work in a technically specific way? Is it only in action at basically zero load and goes back to normal shape under actual load and so spares the user to wait for 2 seconds at the worst?

Are there loads that dont like AES and blow up/dont work? My neighbour is green with envy about my Victron setup and now wants one too. He has however a very troublesome electronic jigsaw that is basically the maker or breaker for this deal and is very precious about its electricity shape for its softstart/rpm and refuses to start if it doesnt like it. On a regular operation and waveform it starts fine, he also likes the low idle consumption of AES mode...

Your browser does not support HTML5 video.i must admit am in love with the new Phoenix inverter smart design,But i sincerely dont think its as durable as the former .I have successfully installed 2 of the 1600va models. one stopped working after an hour and the overload light has forever been on,even though its been restarted severally.the other one still works but there is annoying humming noise even when there is no load on the inverter . What could be the cause ?It looks as if this model is not as durable as the previous ones. has anybody had a similar experience? Is the phoenix inverter smart repairable at all? @Johannes Boonstra

Hello, I would like to ask if you can use powerassist with inverter as primary source in overload condition. I am asking this to determine if 1x inverter will be sufficient or whether it would have to paralled 2x to accomodate rare cases or overload (electric cookers 4kW + random loads under 3kW). Let me explain:

Inverter: Multiplus-II 5000VA
Grid: Available and connected, limitless
Battery: Ideal and limitless

Normal conditions: Loads under 5000VA operate on invertor without issues (>95% time)
Question condition: Loads exceed 5000VA - Invertor overload (not counting on 130% overload possibility @ 5minutes)

When loads exceeds rating of invertor I would like it to feed in the rest from the grid (if available) resulting in 5000VA from invertor and rest taken from grid - stable over 5000VA system for limited time period. Meaning the priority should be always on batteries and invertor power and grid only used if required. I understand that if grid fails at that moment, the system would shutdown due to overload.

It this possible?
What are the limits? (Total combined power, Switching times, Minimum difference in power consumed vs power assisted, etc.)

I couldnt find answers anywhere in data sheets and powerassist manuals.
Thanks

Two EasySolars (5kV / 48V) can be configured in parallel.

But is it possible to configure an EasySolar (5kV / 48V) parallel with an MultiPlus, Phoenix or Quatro (of 5kV / 48V)?

I don't know what kind of firmware / chipset these other models have. But it seems a bit redundant to combine 2 EasySolars (to have 2 times the build in MTTP capacity / 2 times a Color Control).

I need more output then one EasySolar can provide.

Does anyone have used the BMV relay to remote control the phenix inverter , in order to prevend battery discharging under 50%?

thanks

Diode D17 between the two input terminals! model 750 12V!

Does anybody know which diode is this D17, between plus and negative terminals on the phoenix 750 12v inverter? victron energy representatives replied to me that they don't have any more the technical manual of this old top secret product so nobody knows anymore or they do not wish to share this highly important information!

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I have purchased a Phoenix 12 I 800 inverter. The neutral to earth bond has not been manufactured in this unit as shown in the manual. Can the neutral and earth be bonded on this inverter?

Regards Greg

Hi Guys, looking for a little bit of advice if possible.

I have recently purchased some pre-loved Victron equipment which I am very excited to get wired in and in use. I plan on fitting everything I've just purchased in to a motorhome conversion. I purchased a great deal including a Phoenix MulitPlus Combi 12/800/35, colour CCGX control panel, a Carlo Gavazzi monitor (not required I believe) and 2x large Odyssey 214ah agm batteries. I also have a 150/70 MC4 MPPT solar controller with 2x 270w panels.

I have a couple of quick questions I'm hoping someone in the know will be able to fire a quick answer to.

In regards to wiring in a RCD consumer unit for trip protection, should this be wired from the mains before going in to the Combi or on the 240v output from the combi or both (needing 2 consumer units)? If a consumer unit goes before the combi, what amperage would be required for the RCD & MCB for the combi as the unit says it offers 35a of battery charging when on mains yet most camp sites usually only offer 10a-16a on hook up?

The pre-loved equipment I purchased was wired for a residential battery back up power system, does anything need changing inside the combi unit as it will now barely ever be on mains power, only if on hook up at a campsite which will be a rarity (while I own it anyway) or is it a case of pretty much plug & play?

Is the Carlo Gavazzi energy monitor not required for my above purposes which came with the bundle deal I purchased (if not, I'll sell that on)?

Hoping someone can shine some light on the above and clear the confusion.

Thanks in advance

So I finally got the bluetooth dongle for my 12/500 VE.Direct Phoenix Inverter and got it setup. All I see in the VictronConnect app other than the "speedometer" of load was voltage in and voltage out. I remember reading in the inverter manual that with the app you could view more detailed information like the load in watts, or load percentage, DC current in, and even current efficiency. I cannot find that anywhere. What am I doing wrong? I've attached a screenshot. I did the firmware update first thing when setting it up.

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