Phoenix Inverter

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I'd like to remotely switch on and off the inverter ("on" on the front panel) which runs to a conviniently situated switch but also swiches more things at the same time. When I need charging I need to keep the inverter off in case of malfunction or generator running out of fuel. Therefor I want to have the front switch sitting on charger only.

As it is wired now I switch over to another inverter since the multi can only do either or but is then remotly switched off so "charger only" is disabled too.

I then need to take out the two wires and put in a bridge. Is the third port for the charger only side and I can put a bridge there?

How do I need to wire it?

Cheers guys

I am running a 65W fridge with a 12/500 230V Phoenix Inverter in Eco Mode just fine.

But there are 2 situations which could be improved.

1. Sometimes when the fridge starts it needs a high load, it rarely even triggers the high load shutdown. The high load is only for seconds to start the fridge and will drop dramatically to around 65W

Idea: Add an Option to limit the high load for a couple of seconds to a certain load. If a higher load is still needed after some seconds -> trigger high load shutdown. Similar to a soft start.

2. If the battery is not fully loaded or when its cold outside a high load can trigger the low battery shutdown and/or the low battery restart and alarm. But again, this will be only for seconds until the fridge is running.

So again, if there would be an option to set a certain timeout for the shutdown it would help to start the fridge. Let's say the low battery limit can be reached (or even lower) for some seconds. Only if the voltage stays at that level for seconds ->trigger the shutdown. Normally the voltage drops to 10.5 for a second and when the fridge is running it raises to 11.5V and more.

Can anyone tell me where I can find the pcb schematic of a phoenix Inverter? There are no suppliers in my country (Angola) and the person who installed the Inverter is no longer reachable.

Handcarried this inverter to Philippines for my solar plant (24V, 200Ah lead-acid battery, min 25.2V max 28V, PWM controller, new battery, 50mm2 cables 1.5 meter). Worked brilliantly for 2 weeks at 60Hz, 230V. There was no internet connection.
2 days ago, there was an internet connection and the software updated automatically, no problem. The unit powered an inverter washing machine @ 650W max.
The inverter gets shutdown for the night. Next morning, the red/green lights started blinking alternately in 1 second tact. No output. The input voltage is min 25.2V and max 28V (measured with a Fluke at the inverter connections.
I cannot take the inverter to the dealer, a bit too far. Can somebody please give an indication what the blinking lights might mean and how to correct it? Thank you!

2 problems possibly related

I have a 12/3000/230v inverter installed with 600 AH Life po4 battery. 640 watts solar to charge with Victron MPPT 150/70. Almost never plug in.

Usage thus far is low, 400v-800w, it is mainly installed for higher loads later in the trip, small elect heater and small AC, sm induction hot plate etc.

I also have a 12/600W/120volt US inverter installed. In a separate circuit out of the battery pack. separate 12v and 120V outlets. It works fine. We run our laptops off this.

1)

About 2 months after install I noticed a slightly lower voltage each night for about 4 days. 13.2 was average, then 13v then 12.8 then 12.5 Average sun etc. then the low volt alarm came on (in the middle of the night of course). Below 8 volts!! I pulled the fuse to the unit (400amp) and the problem stopped. The batteries pack was not only drained on a 'volt' level but the capacity (AH) was reduced to almost zero. It took a couple weeks to charge back up with solar because we were in the UK and the sun does not shine much there.

2)

I decided to go to a campground and plug in to 'top off the batteries" ( I have a Votronic PB 1260 charger) When I did this the campground breaker tripped. I later went to a second campground and the same thing happened. I disconnected the 230v from the Phoenix inverter and the problem stopped. (230v in the truck is good etc. Campground breaker is happy etc.)

While plugged in at campground I checked the 230v wires coming into (out) of the inverter and the load and neutral were wired to the inverter correctly. Line, neutral etc.

The wires coming from the campground 'in' and the inverter 'in'(from inverter to house) are both wired into the same box. This is prior to the "house breaker and house GFCI"

Is it ok for the 230v to "backfeed' into the inverter? It should know this and disconnect? when plugged in.

Am I missing something here? I have run this by the electricians in the family and they think something must be wrong inside the inverter. How can I test this further? My supplier is more of a solar panel guy and not as much help as I would like.

Other trouble shooting advice would be good.

Thank you in advance.

Don

Phoenix Inverter 12V 250W

If this inverter is wired with a remote switch supplying 12v to the left hand contact of the two pole connector for a remote switch and this is on, and its +12v main supply is connected but the 0V DC main cable is NOT connected will the inverter be damaged.

I know this sounds like a strange question but explaining why would take a while!

thanks

Neil

Hi, my inverter was working fine but the batteries were a bit low due to building work I am doing so I connected by battery charger to boost the batteries. On checking the battery charge was throwing out 36 volts and around 7 amps. All the lights on the inverter went out and now it wont turn on. What have I done and how can I fix it? Any help greatly appreciated.

It's quite hard for me to find any clear information on the possibilities of my inverter.
I'd like to connect to this inverter and read out its stats and power usage.

I know all the recent models of this inverter/multiplus have ve.bus possibilities and I know my current one does have this phone/ethernet like port.

I'm now in the process of setting up VenusOS on a raspberry to read out the MPPT charge controller but can I also connect to this older inverter? It's a Phoenix Inverter without the orange stripes but with the red phoenix bird.

My guess is it can be done with the MK3-USB interface but I'd like to have a confirmation on this and if it's possible, what kind of information can I pull from the inverter? If not possible, any other ways to pull status information from this device?

Thanks in advance.

Hello, I leave in Angola (África) and currently working as a electronic technician. My employer bought a phoenix Inverter before I started here and it suddenly stopped working.

All 4 LEDs are on, the fan doesn't turn on and there is no output. I have checked the circuit and nothing seems wrong. Can anyone help?

Obs: there are no official suppliers here and the guy who installed went to live abroad

Just got in the solar game and am hoping to get a head start on how to wire and program different systems using VE config and MK 3 etc

Are there any detailed tutorials that demonstrate this ? Also would like to know how to wire up a switchboard, thanks in advance guys

The two VE.direct ports of the CCGX are used by a MPPT SMART Solar and a BMV 712 SMART...

There would be an alternative of using a MultiPlus 2000 connected to CCGX by VE.Bus in stead of the two separated Phoenix devices... but I like the SMART BT Usage and the detailed possibilities of the seperated devices... Regarding CCGX connection may be the Multi would be the better choice?

If connection of the Phoenix devices to CCGX by USB would be possible, both USB ports of the CCGX would be used. For connection of an USB-GPS is it possible to use a USB-HUB?

Target is to view as much as possible data on the CCGX and store the long term data to bring it to the VRM portal and do remote configuring of my mobile home by GSM. Please give me some advice... thanks in advance.

I am having issues setting up a new victron multiplus II, 5kW connected with the venusGx, to be controlled from our own controller.

We have manged to setup and operate five identical devises up until now using the VEconfig and the victron connect applications, all working as expected with no issues whatsoever.

The first thing we do is to connect to venusGX via the mk3 to usb dongle and setup the ESS assistant simply by loading the same .var file we created for the first devise. After sending the assistant to the device and disconnecting from the venusGX if we connect using the victron connect software we can change the settings on the inverter so to fit our application. One of the setting to change is: settings/ ESS /mode -> External Control.

In one of our installations after everything is done in the same way, the ESS tab it just says no assistant found, so we cannot choose the option external control. It looks like the transfer of the assistant is not completed, with though being prompted that this may have been the case in any step of the process. ,

The only difference from every other commissioning, is that the PC used now is new and when installing the VEconfig software we are forced to update the app. If we don't we cannot load/create or send an assistant.

Do you have any idea what could be the issue? if we don't disable the external control the inverter immediately starts injecting power and does not respond to any of our commands, while we can communicate with it, reading values through modbus.

Hi, I have a customer with an older LG RESU 6.4EX, they are now discontinued. This battery is brand new unopened. I have a list of compatible inverters and the 48/3000 Phoenix is one of them. I am trying to set it up as an off grid system for my customer. I want to know if anyone has any experience with this battery and its firmware, and its compatibility with the 48v Phoenix. I have no idea if this battery is able to be wired directly to an MPPT charge controller either and if that is a possibility, it believe all of the newer RESU batteries require a grid connection to function properly.

Any help/suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks

Hello,

Question 1.:

I have a smartsolart mppt 75/15 and a Phoenix Ve.direct 12/500. Is it possible to connect both devices and access (VictronConnect APP) to the inverter via Bluetooth (smartsolar)?

Question2.:

This illustration (link image below) shows the connection (for REMOTE switching) between BlueSolar and Phoenix Inverter. The options is are without Phoenix 12/500 only. What an option for him?

https://www.powerbox.com.au/catalog/product/gallery/id/4300/image/5142/

Thx in andvance!

M.

Hello, I connecteda VE.Direct Connection MPPT 100/20 and Phoenix 12/75 via VE.Direct cable, but can't see any details in the app. The Phoenix doesn't show up. Is there any idea?

The question of whether a MultiPlusand Phoenix VE.Direct can be connected to a Venus GX has been discussed and answered. So my question deals with exactly how to connect the AC side. What I would _like_ to have happen is for the Phoenix VE.Direct to power small loads while the MultiPlus24/3000/70 has it's inverter disabled via the Venus. Then when I need a large load, such as a microwave/AC, enable the MultiPlus. To that end:

1) should the two generator AC outputs be connected in parallel, or

2) Should the Phoenix VE Direct 24/500 AC output be connected to the MultiPlus AC1 Input? Would the Phoenix AC then "flow through" the MultiPlus

Background: I have an RV system which is mounted completely external to the RV. I use a 24V 200AH LiFePo4 battery, MultiPlus 24/3000, dual SmartSolar 100/30 and a Venus GX. Shore power comes into the system through a dedicated 30A connector to the MultiPlus AC1 input, then the AC output goes to a hardwired dualphase 50A connector. So I use a 30A cable from shore to the Power Box, then a 50A back into the RV. No holes, no modifications to the RV. If I have 50A available, I'll bypass my power box and just run 50A split phase into the RV directly.

When I'm completely on battery power, I have two use cases for the 110V: A) High power typically running the microwave at 1600W. The MultiPlus and battery handle that without batting an eye. Works fabulously. B) Low power -- maybe 20-50W. Essentially, i'm charging a computer, running a small LCD television, mood lighting on the built-in electric fireplace (no heat -- that's 800W/1100W).

I'm 99% B (low power), 1% A (high power). The problem is that the MultiPlus self consumption and power inefficiencies generating 50W of power mean I'm using 100W-120W 24/7 and I would like to avoid that. At the same time, while I'm an EE and can handle a MacGuyver'ed system, my wife cannot.

Ideally, I'd like to have both inverters on, have the Phoenix on 24/7, generating enough power for the Multiplus to detect it, then have the Multiplus boost when it sees the Phoenix power lagging (i.e overpowered)

Ideas and suggestions are very welcome.

Hi.

I have a problem with my Multiplus 24/3000/70 installed in a bus.

It began with the inverter not starting. Whenever i try to start the inverter nothing happens.

The charger was still working at this point but stopped working the following day.

When I connect AC to the unit the unit starts up and opens up for AC distribution, so with shore power connected the mains are on and the "mains on" LED is lit.

According to the LEDs the charger is also working. It follows the steps "bulk", "absorption" and then settles at "float" but the acctual voltage on the batteries are falling during the charging cycle. So the unit seems to beleive it is charging the batteries whilst the acctual voltage on the batteries are declining.

Does anyone know what may be the source if this behaviour? I am considering connecting the unit to a laptop to try a reset and firmware update. Does this sound like a plausible solution? Has anyone in here experienced similar behaviour and have an estimate of potential repair cost?

Thanks in advance.

Hello everyone,

I was wondering if Victron sell DC-DC buck converters.

Because to use the phoenix 48/5000 I need to decrease my voltage of the battery to 38-66V.

If not have anyone then have a idea where I can buy them somewere else or to design it my self

Hello everyone,

I have a 80 V battery with a output current of 200 A.

I want to convert this to 230 V, but therefore I will first decrease the voltage to 24 V.

For that I want to use Orion 110/24-360W ( I wish I could Orion 110/48-360W but I can`t find it so probably it don`t exist).

Then I want to use the Phoenix 24/5000 to make 230Vac.

The problem is the current, because I don`t know if the orion can handle such high current.
I also don`t know what the output current of the orion is. And at least I also don`t know what the needed inputcurrent must be for the phoenix.

The idea of this is that with a 80V battery I can provide elektricity to a building in case of a black out. And for that I need a converting systeem from 80 Vdc to 230 Vac with high power. This systeem described above is the only way I could figure out so if anyone have a better idea pleas let me know.

Beste iedereen,

Ik probeer het bereik van ingangsstroom en uitgangsstroom te vinden van phoenix omvormer 24/5000 48/5000.

Ik heb hiervoor in de datasheet gekeken maar hier kan ik het niet in vinden.

Weet iemand dit toevallig?

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Hi,

I have a Phoenix Inverter Compact 2kVA which I have been using satisfactorily for over two years and am now wanting to use my BMV-700 to provide auto cut-out to protect the batteries from excessive drain.

The short question is: can I directly wire the BMV-700 relay into the Phoenix remote switch terminals to achieve this or should I use a further external relay between the two?

The longer background to this is … I changed the DIP switches in the Phoenix to select remote switch operation and wired in a simple manual on/off switch to the terminals on the circuit board. Using this manual switch, the system continues to operate as it has done since 2017. When I replace the on/off switch with the BMV-700 relay, the Phoenix starts up ok (with minimal load of just my internet router), but when my fridge is turned on there is a large, prolonged power drain (c. 1kW) from the batteries (as observed on the BMV-700), the inverter fans start up for a couple of seconds and then the inverter auto powers off (the BMV relay remains on). If I revert to the manual switch everything is fine again (there is of course a very brief power surge when the fridge starts, but it settles to the 100W steady state within a second or so and the inverter fans have no need to activate). I have repeated this three times, each time the fridge causes this large power drain with the BMV but there is no problem with the manual switch. This makes no sense to me!

Any help or thoughts appreciated!

Is it possible to obtain spares for a Multi or Phoenix? For instance, front panel screws and mounting bracket(s) for a multi, and a mainboard for a Phoenix?
thanks
Steve

Hi can someone please explain power assist and what settings I need to choose on my dial. We have a multiplus inverter charger 12/1600/70, Phoenix multi control, 960watts of solar and a 675amp battery bank. When running a honda eu20i generator as shore power to the boat what setting do I need on the dial and also when running a kipor 6.5kv generator as shore power to the what do I need to set the dial at. I presume the marks 1 to 16 represent amps. Thank you

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Hi,

I have a small off grid pv system (300 W peak). My current inverter (Mean Well TS-1000) works well, but has a fairly high idle consumption (20 W) when in on state. It has a saving mode, probably similar to the Phoenixs ECO mode. The problem with the saving mode is, that it does not reliable detect small loads (<5 W). If I connect a small led light bulb only, it switches continuously on and off and causes the light to blink with a with a ~1s interval. This is very annoying and renders the saving mode useless for me.

I was considering to replace it with a Victron Phoenix 12/800 or 12/1200 with VE.Direct, as it seems to have a much lower idle consumption. However, I have read in the manual (page 6), that the inverter has an even higher minimum load of 15W to return from ECO mode.

Therefore, I have the following two questions:

• Can you confirm that the minimum load really cannot be set lower than 15W?
• Will I therefore experience a similar blinking with my LED bulb as a have described above?

Thank you for any advice!

For a small off grid tent lodge , we want to supply limited power to each tent.

We are considering installing :

- 1 battery bank ( 400 A / 48V)

- 1 larger inverter-charger : To eventually recharge the battery bank from a generator, and to supply a larger AC out to the main building / kitchen (probably a Multiplus 48/1200 )

- 1 small inverter for each tent Phoenix 48/250 to limit the wattage available in each tent (hence avoid large consumption drawing the battery bank) , and only provide basic lighting and phone/tablet/laptop recharge .

I do not think this is a problem, but wondering what is the best way to wire between the battery bank and the various inverters ?

Any idea or suggestion will be welcome and highly appreciated.

Thanks

Good day

I have a Venux GX connected to a Phoenix 24V 250VA inverter (and also a BlueSolar 150/35).

On the remote console and also in VRM portal, the inverter is indicating as "off" and not showing any AC load consumption. But in the device list it is indicating as "on" and "inverting" although even there it indicates load as "0W" (whereas in fact the load is around 35W).

Guidance will be appreciated.

When I view the inverter power output through the Venus GX interface, it is much higher than the actual load. (156W indicated vs 89W actual) I confirmed this with a Kill A Watt meter. see here: https://imgur.com/a/knbj4mS

Does anyone have any idea on the reason for the discrepancy or how to correct it?

Phoenix 12V | 800VA Inverter

BlueSolar MPPT 100V | 50A

BMV-702

Venus GX

I have a 2011 phoenix inverter only unit at my off grid property. One night I suffered a series of very short power cuts I.e. Not due to overload or low battery which take a few minutes to restart. I turned the unit off to investigate the following morning. First couple of times, the lights flashed quickly when turning on, then went out, then nothing on the power switch.

There is no mega fuse. I have checked the remote power jumper which is in place and making a circuit. There was no sparking or smell of burning.

I have opened the case and removed a few boards and can see no obvious problems, I.e.,all connectors / ribbon cables seem good.

To me it would look like a bad connection / dry solder somewhere preventing power getting to the switch, but I'm not an electronics engineer, and, although practical, not skilled.

Can anyone suggest where to look? The unit has been disconnected for a couple of weeks, so there is no power left to give me a kick. I have a basic multi meter to test basic stuff...

Thanks!

How Can the default password for the CCgx ACCESS LEVEL change from the defult "ZZZ" password?

AS keeping it on Defult means that the user can change it himself anytime !