Phoenix Inverter

Hi,

I have two Questions created already where i have discussed various issues regarding my solution. See here :

https://community.victronenergy.com/questions/41291/multiplus-ii-disable-feed-back-entirely-possible.html and https://community.victronenergy.com/questions/42279/lom-detection-when-feed-in-disabled-why.html?childToView=42916#comment-42916

I am sorry that i now create another issue but i am not confident that what i want can indeed be done with the chosen HW/solution.

Background:

I am located in Denmark and wish to buy Victron products to make a hybrid/off-grid system where "All" i want is that i can pull/mix power from grid when i don't have battery/solar but NEVER feedback to the grid, just one little bit will get me into trouble. I assume feed-back and feed-in are the same things right ? The most important thing for me is to not feedback to grid and be able to pull and use the produced energy myself. I think this is called self consumption.

I read on https://www.victronenergy.com/live/ve.bus:grid-codes-and-loss-of-mains-detection :

Q4: I use ESS, but have disabled feed-back, is a grid-code still required?A: Yes, also in this case LOM is required to make for a safe and also local regulations compliant system. Running ESS with disabled-feed-back is still not the same as using a Multi in its default configuration without ESS.

I don't understand why do i need LOM for this ? Can somebody explain ?

Regarding my usage :
We (our family) have roughly 16-20kw consumption per day and in total 6000-7000kW yearly. I will also have a powerwall build myself using LiFePo4 batteries (48v) roughly a 10-15kwh.

System i have in mind :

1 x Multiplus II 5000/48
2 x SmartSolar 250/60
1 x Venus GX

I have 21pcs of 310W panels (https://bit.ly/2P1GL9O) so i was thinking to place 10 on each side of the roof meaning i would do 2 x 5 panels in series so i would have 200V for 5 panels then parallel the 2 strings and one string is 10A so 200V 20A for one charge controller. I think that is ok but that means I need to use the 250/60 solar charger model which is more expensive and i need two of those. Please correct if i am wrong.

I have 100% stable grid connection and since the Multiplus II can handle a big load in by pass i can practically run the whole house on the AC out from the inverter. Please correct if i am wrong.

Questions:

1. I want to know if the above system is feasible ? Are there any other Victron HW that i also need which is not on my list above ?
2. Can I use the system in such a way that i NEVER feed-in/feeback to grid in no circumstance but at the same time i can consume from the grid when no solar or battery is available ?
3. If 2 is possible can the system be programmed in such a way that when the load is too big for solar alone or solar/battery combined to also mix in grid power BUT still without feed-in/feedback to the grid ?
4. If 2 and 3 is feasible what do i need ? Do i need ESS or ignore AC input or both if that's possible ? How would one configure ?

Hello all,

We have a MultiPlus Compact 12-2000/80 Combi unit, wired to 2x Sterling 100ah Lithium and Sterling BB1260 Batt-Batt charger and 300W of solar via individual Victron MPPT Regulators.

The batteries themselves are showing to be fine, With the BMV showing them to be receiving charge from the B2B and solar with no problems and everything working fine from the 12v system, however when on EHU, the charger seems to go through the cycles on the display showing to be on charge and the amber light on Bulk then to absorb, but the BMV is showing no change at all in the conditions of the batteries. When off from EHU and you want to use the inverter, it immediately comes up with "Overload" even though there is nothing switched on inside the Motorhome.

Other than the 250A Mega Fuse, is there any other checks that can be made by the customer before we have to inspect? There seems to be an "In-Line" glass fuse in the top right-hand corner on one of the circuit boards, but cannot find any reference to it's function at all.

Anyone have anything we may have overlooked?

Cheers

hello,

on the manual of the muti plus is written this:

"When solar inverters are connected to the output of a Multi or Quattro, the excess solar energy is used to recharge the batteries......"

but what is with the phoenix inverters ?

what happens with the phoenix inverter when a solar inverter is connectet to the phoenix inverters output ?

tanks

easy

Hi

When disconnected from Shore Power - and with the EasyPlus switched fully ON - the product Inverting LED is show green (ON) - all the time - even with no loads attached to the AC side. And, my BMV is showing 0.95A draw - but with no loads (on the AC side or on the 12v side) attached.

However, before I installed the BMV, the green inverting LED would stay off, and the draw was less, and when I connected a load on the AC side there was an audible click, followed by green LED coming on.

Since installing the BMV, the green LED is on all the time - and the EasyPlus seems to be inverting permanently - even though no AC loads are connected.

Help ?!

Thanks.

I want to connect a Phoenix Inverter 250W (24V) VE Direct into a Venus GX along with a battery monitor and MPPT 75/15. My questions are;

1) Can I use the USB port for the MPPT and still get information on the VRM portal

2) Will the Phoenix Inverter show on the VRM portal using the VE Direct because it is not a VE.Bus product?

3) If it can - what firmware versions are required for the inverter & venus?

Good morning.

I have just replaced an old (1994) Victron Atlas 24V 2500W for a Victron Phoenix 24V 3000W. Can somebody tell me if it is possible to put an RJ45 plug onto the existing cable to the remote Inverter Control panel? I have plugs, just need the wire sequence. Thanks. Tim

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Hi all, I am having a Victron Quattro 24/3000/70 installed on my boat. Can I put a Multiplus 24/3000/70 in parallel like they would be 2 Quattros with the VE Bus to get a 6000W inverter. Reason why not a 2nd Quattro is I could get a slightly used 3 month old Multiplus 24/3000/70 for a steal price shipped to my boat. 
Thank you.

I am planning to go with bigger inverter for my solar offgrid system. I am aiming for Phoenix 3000VA 48V. My current inverter is Phoenix 1200. I do already have VE.direct and Bluetooth that I can use with current inverter.

I am not sure if some additional equipment is needed for the inverter to configure it and put into production. Product specification mentions VE.bus. Do I need to buy VE.bus dongle just to configure the single inverter and make it work? Does it perhaps come with VE.direct port also if manufactured since some date?

Hi guys, just a newbie here so please bare with me. My 48V phoenix inverter is 1200VA model. I am running plain old 1kw AC water heater on inverter. Input side measures DC power: 21.5A* 54V = 1161W. That's like 86% efficiency. Inverter fan is running. Does inverter efficiency normally drops so low when it is working at full power?

Hi guys.

I wonder if it is possible to charge my batteries connecting AC source from a generator. I have read the inverter provides a programmable relay that starts a generator automatically. I guess that function is to provide energy to my house through the inverter directly. But I don´t know if it is possible to take avantage of that energy to charge the batteries at the same time.

Please I need your help. The weather is too bad here and the level of batteries is usually low.

I'm looking at upgrading our boats electrical system to a LiFePO4-based system. As far as the components go, I'm pretty sure I have the configuration figured out. The only thing I cannot determine, is whether our current Victron Phoenix Combi 12/1600/75 Inverter/Charger is compatible with the VE.Bus BMS. The setup I am thinking about is very similar to the example given in the VE.Bus BMS manual, shown below. Can we use our Phoenix Combi in this setup?

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Our setup is very small. We bought a Multiplus 800 to power 2 AC outlets on the boat. These outlets power one Laptop one coffee machine. :)

Can the 2 AC outlets be connected directly to the inverter AC output? Or do we need to install a circuit breaker between the Inverter and 2 AC outlets?

Hi.
I want to connect a controller to a heater element so that I can turn it down a bit. Is there any reason that this should not be done if the 230v AC is being supplied by a Victron Multiplus 12/3000. Could there be any feedback from the controller due perhaps to rapid switching or phase angle control that would be an issue for the inverter. Plugging this into a domestic AC socket will be fine so should it not also be ok on a Victron output?

I will be connecting a resistive load controller (United Automation CSR2-15E) in the mains feed between a washing machine's circuit control and it's heating element so that the element's wattage is reduced from 2100w to more like 1300w.

Thanks - Trevor

I have purchased a Phoenix 12 I 800 inverter. The neutral to earth bond has not been manufactured in this unit as shown in the manual. Can the neutral and earth be bonded on this inverter?

Regards Greg

I left the inverter on overnight and in the morning the “overload” LED was solid red. I thought that maybe overnight there was a shortcut. So I disconnected the load (nothing was turned on overnight) and turned it back on. LED still solid red. Is anyone experiencing the same problem? Or a way to reset the unit? Thanks in advance

Hi there,

When my Phoenix Multiplus 12/3000/120 is connected to a VE.bus Multi control unit, the Phoenix will always -inexplicable- be powered off after about 40 minutes. Next, the Phoenix can/must be switched on again using the on/off/charger only switch, but the same will happen again (i.e. powered off after about 40 min). All LEDs, switch and current control works fine on the VE.bus Multi control. Same with the Phoenix.

Any ideas, suggestions are welcome.

Thank you. /Martien

How to connect a Venus GX to my Phoenix 5k Inverter with firmware xxxx1xx?

What kind of cable is needed?

Hi,

I have a Phoenix Multi 12/1600/70 which has 15xxxxx firmware (1501116.HEX). I know it is old, but it appears to be working well (I don't really want to replace it!) However, I would like to connect to it with ve.config, or any other application which might allow me to configure it and/or see its parameters. I have looked at the various manuals and whitepapers, but remain a little confused!

I would very much appreciate it if someone would answer the following questions:

1. Which RS485/RS232 interface would work? I believe it should be the Mk.2.2b, but I would like to make sure before I purchase one.

2. Which software should I use? I believe ve.configure Version 1 (although I can't seem to find Version 1 for download). Where can I find a download of ve.configure Version 1, or is there any other software which would connect?

3. Which remote panel would work with it?

4. Presently, there is no temperature sensor connected. Presumably, the temperature sensor currently sold for Phoenix chargers, which connects to the -ve pole of the battery, would be the one to go for, but is this correct?

Thanks in anticipation.

Regards,

John

I'll keep this short. My Victron Phoenix Inverter Compact 12 | 2000 230V (an old microprocessor 230VAC inverter on firmware 1908209) is not compatible with the VE.Bus Smart Dongle and will never be, corrrect?

20191206_125453.mp4Upon suggestion of Daniel (https://community.victronenergy.com/users/3218/danvic.html) here a summary of my issue.

Phoenix inverter 24/1200 230V VE.Direct IEC running at 230V 60Hz.

I took it from Holland to Philippines for my solar installation and it ran OK for 2 weeks. I used it mainly to run a washing machine (inverter unit, NO HEATING, max power 750W, as it is an inverter unit, it does not have starting surges) and some small workshop tools. It worked without any problems. I did not have an internet connection at the time, so it ran on the software version as purchased. At nigh, the unit is switched off. The previous unit was a 1000W unit and it ran under similar conditions without problems for 3 years until I got hit by a huge lightning strike and all my electronics blew up.

Then I got an internet connection and the unit started updating. No problem.

But the next day, the unit did not want to startup, the red/green lights are blinking alternately in 0.5 seconds tact. Maybe nothing to do with the software update, maybe just a co-incidence?

The tool on the 250VA inverter says: "No Calibration, return to Victron service for repair". which is a bit difficult as it was brought into the country "handcarry" and sending it back is a huge issue with the customs here..

Note: The batteries are new (24V 200Ah), there is no load connected during startup, with load connected, it does not help. Disconnecting the battery/reconnecting did not change the situation.

Any suggestions to get this unit back online?

Greetings from our warm island.

Paul

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Hello,

My inverter has suddenly stopped working, the LED error codes say "No Calibration".

The latest Firmware was v1.17 - I have read various posts in the interent where people have had the same issue with this firmware version.

One guy say he reinstalled the firmware using his PC. I have Victron Connect on my oc and Andriod device but see no way of manually forcing a firmware upgrade.

I can see I can get the images from the Vicreon professional site :

https://professional.victronenergy.com/downloads/firmware/

But I dont know where to drop these files to force an upgrade.

Can anyone help either how to clear the error or forcce an upgrade?

Thanks

Inverter is brand new out of the box and just has the batters connected to the inverter. The inverter light flashes fast two times, while the alarm light flash once. i have updated the firmware using the Victron connect app. The manual states the it is an over temp alarm, yet the batters are at normal operating temperature

Hi,

Need info about MTBF for Phoenix Inverter 24/375 (24VDC to 230VAC)

Thanks

Hi,

I'd like to connect just starter batteries to my Phoenix Combi (model year ±2001). I'll use them to start the engine of my boat and while running (and the alternator as well) to feed 12V to VHF and AIS. I won't use the inverter.

Got 2 questions:

1. Do I need to connect the starter batteries to the battery connector or the trickle charge connector in this setup?
2. Do I need to also use V-sense and T-sense?

Thx

Is it possible to remote switch a Victron Phoenix Off/On using a Digital multi control instead of a Phoenix inverter control?

Hello all,

I have install a Phoenix V.E. Direct 24/800 (firmware 1.17).
I have connect it to Venus (firmware 2.41).
From the first day until today inverter appeared on venus but loads are 0W.
Battery voltage is ok but loads are 0W.

Should i change something?

Thank you

Hi everyone. I've got a snag on one of our installations. There are 3 24V battery banks A200 of 12x2V cells 225Ah total capacity each bank. Each is charged using Phoenix 24/16 charger using default factory settings.

During a recent inspection, we depleted each bank to around 23.5V and then charged them back up again. Each Phoenix charger failed after between 6-7 hours. There is a solid red fail LED illuminated but nothing else.

For the main bank, we swapped in another phoenix and exactly the same problem after 6-7 hours. A skylla-TG 24/50 was then installed instead and set to 16A charge current. This failed after 10 hours with a flashing bulk, steady fail LEDs. This indicates bulk protection mode has kicked in (there is conflicting info in the manuals, one of them says it will swap straight to float, but another manual says it will fail with LED code as above).

So I'm thinking we need to increase the charging current to at least 25A for a c/10 rate. I manually set it to 40A just to get the batteries recharged and this worked fine.

My question is. Is this what is causing the Phoenix 16A chargers to fail also? I looked at the manual and also in google. There is no mention of this series having bulk protection mode. Also, if there is bulk protection mode does it default to 6-7 hours? We had exactly the same issue last year on another site, with both phoenix chargers failing after 6-7 hours but just gave up and swapped them for skyllas which have been fine. I can't believe that all our phoenix chargers are faulty though. This does not happen in float mode with already charged batteries, only after bulk mode has been on for 6-7 hours (best I can do from telemetry indications). The ambient temperature is around 10-15 degrees C and there is around 2 feet spacing around each charger. They do not get hot and the fans are working. The batteries are 2 years old. On the other site, they were 3 years old. Fitting a skylla removes the issue (at both sites).

Just to be clear. These are the Phoenix chargers, not the inverter/ multiplus units.

Hello. I have an Easysolar 12/1600/70 which is connected to 480AH of LiFePO4 batteries and 1100W of solar panels. (The system also has a Smartsolar 100/30, but that is not relevant to this question.) I have the equipment installed in my RV, which has a small front-loading washing machine in it (Dometic WMD 1050.). The washing machine will not run successfully on the inverter, no matter what I try, yet the same washing machine will run successfully using a Honda eu10i (1 KVA) inverter generator. Curiously, if I plug the generator into the RV and use the Easysolar inverter in power assist mode, the washing machine will not run, but it runs fine if connected directly to the generator.

The symptoms are: The washing machine will power up. A program cycle that does not use the water heating element can be selected. The machine can be started and the water solenoid will open and allow the washing machine to fill. During this process the bowl of the washing machine rotates slowly, as it is intended to do. Once filled, the machine switches to the wash cycle and the motor attempts to rotate the bowl, but it only rotates about 1/4 of a turn and stops. It repeats this process endlessly. When connected to the generator, at this point in the process, the bowl rotates correctly.

I get no alarms of any sort from the Easysolar 12/1600/70. No low voltage alarms (I have set the input DC low voltage cut-out to as low as it will go) are recorded on the alarm list.

Before I installed the Easysolar, I had a cheap Chinese-made 1000W, pure sine wave inverter and it would run the same washing machine with ease. This is very frustrating as I have invested a lot of money into the Easysolar, BMV, Colour control GX, etc and it is not performing a fairly straightforward function. The same inverter will run an electric toaster and my wife's hair-dryer, both of which are rated rated at 1200W, without any trouble. I am assuming that the inverter does not like the inductive load, or the 240VAC waveform of the inverter is not good enough for the washing machine when under load.

Can you suggest any settings that I may have wrong, that are preventing the washing machine from working?

Thank you.

Ive bought a 2nd hand Phoenix Inverter 12V 800W, for a friend and need to know the cable size so I can buy the correct cable shoe terminals.

And does this use a 200A fuse?

Thanks

A minor, non crucial detail I just noticed but when I connected my Phoenix 12/250 inverter to the laptop (ve.direct-usb cable) to change some settings I noticed its not showing the load % in the "speedometer" display. The inverter works fine and everything, but the % display is just dead no matter what load I connected to it. The app and firmware are the latest version available.