Please fix my settings, 100% sync not happening

The thing is the BMS asks for 56.8V for 2 hours for absorption after which it goes to 54.8V as float. You can not adjust these, they are hard coded.

If you have a setting which is holding the voltage to 56.0V then it can not get to the required 56.8V so it will never go to float.

All your changes appear to have really messed up the way the system works rather than leaving it as default or the BMS has suffered some form of failure.

I do not think you will find anyone who has tuned their Victron NG system as it is so new.

I am out of ideas, I remain convinced somewhere you have a setting limiting the charging voltage to 56.0V which is causing all the issues.

I really appreciate your patience in sticking around. Me too, am out of ideas and I’m also convinced something is still being hold the 56V, and because of that 56,8V can’t be reached, not allowing sync.

You mean 54,0V as float, right?

I just made a full system shutdown; Had to wait for everyone to be in bed.

Powered off the MPPT in the switch
Powered off both inverters in the switch
Pulled the power cable from the Cerbo off
Connected over bluetooth to the BMS in Victron Connect and pressed “Turn Off”, the BMS opened, I heard the click from the relay, LED turned red
Waited 1 minute and 10 seconds
Pressed the “Turn on” in the BMS, heard the click again, light turned green again
Plugged Cerbo back in
About 25 to 30 sec later turned the Inverters on at the swich, leds came up green
Turned MPPT back on.

Started Victron Connect in the computer again.

Screenshots of the BMS


Screenshots of the MPPT, note these should not in service, since the MPPT is controlled by the BMS


Let’s see tomorrow…

By reading this discussion from MPPT getting wrong Charge voltage limit from Cerbo/ESS:

I found my setting is 56V

Much probably it’s from here that he is getting the setting.
Obviously it doesn’t allow changing it…

Of course the only thing I haven’t checked was the MP2.

But its 1:30 in the morning already, the chances to mess up are high. This is going to be checked tomorrow.

OK, there is some confusion between the manuals and what is configured in the BMS. I believe that the NG manuals were edited from the older Smart battery manuals and not all data has been captured.

The manuals state 13.5V float for a 12V battery and 54.0V for a 48V battery but the BMS is actually running 13.7V on thr 12V batteries, so for a 48V unit this would correspond to 54.8V. The default lithium setting in things like MPPTs remains at 13.5V/54.0V. I am not sure exactly what your will float at, either 54.0V or 54.8V.

For absorption, the manuals variously state 14.0V and 14.2V for a 12V battery, I have gone back and checked my history and mine absorb at 14.0V. For the 48V battery the manual states it absorbed at 56.0V, so your value of 56.0V is the correct value, finally worked through the confusion.

The manuals need correcting and that is on Victron’s to do list

So now, your BMS appears to be working OK apart from the long float. The charged voltage in the BMS should be set to 56.0V or slightly lower. The one thing that can generate a long absorb is if the cells are not balanced, on my first charge they ran for about 5-6 hours in absorb..

Battery filled a while ago, 56V, half hour ago.
I thought that maybe after changing some settings a full reboot could be needed, but nop…


Let me arrive home to look at the MP2 settings. I think I have the MP2 charger disabled, but let’s see.

But did you drop the charged voltage in the BMS settings down from the 56.8V to 56.0V or 55.9V per my note above.

That’s it…”They” want you to fail your batteries so “They” can sell you more….Not.

What a nonsensical statement. :angry:

I could answer but I won’t. Thank you for the valuable contribution to the discussion.

Yes I did.
Well, actually I got the confirmation that this value changes by itself. I’m sure I went to bed with the value at 56,8V and when I went to look today after this reply of yours, it was already at 56V.

Meanwhile, I had a look at both Multiplus. These are the screenshots, I haven’t found anything wrong (in my eyes, maybe I’m wrong); both had the same settings.







I was thinking the MP2 could be the “culprit” if it had 56V set, but in this case the charger was off, as I thought it was. Even if it takes the values that are there written and disabled, it’s not 56V anywhere.

So now I suspect the 56V are being given by the batteries itself? The data wires could bring that info, and the BMS is hardcoded to not let go over 56V because they are NG.
I know I updated firmware of the batteries and BMS just before rewiring from 3 phase to parallel… Did I found a bug?

10:36, charging current dropped


DVCC dictates 2h for Absorption
I’ll be back after 12:36 to see if current will drop…

Very sunny day today :slight_smile:

Definitely something is wrong here.

I guess I’ll file for an RMA

I guess you mean that the battery manual is wrong.
A deeper read today shows the BMS manual points overall to 56.0V, while the Battery manual points to 56.8V

I have raised the manual issues with Victron, it is on their to do list now.

after some back and forth with my Victron distributor, we changed the settings in the BMS with Victron connect.

55.5V
3%
6 minutes

And this time it worked, synchronization happened a few seconds before 9:45 this morning!

What I’m now monitoring is the float voltage.

Quick description

Around 9:29 the battery reached 55.5V
Somewhere between 9:29:32 and 9:29:47 the battery reached 56V and the current started dropping from around 90A to the bottom making the Tail current curve.
Around 9:45 synchronization happens.

Now what I’m finding strange is the current.
3% of 400Ah is 12A,
Current dropped under 12A (and kept under) around 9:33:17
6 minutes later is not 9:45

Maybe its because of the 2S2P configuration, I have 2 parallel banks of 200Ah, in that case it would be 6A. When the last battery drops his current under 6A it starts counting. 9:35:17 it felt under 6A, so also not 6 minutes until 9:45
Lets look backward, 6 minutes before 9:45 was 9:39.
At 9:39:02 current dropped under 3A
Now, the system know that 3A is 3% of each battery or there is a bug that instead of 3% looks for the 3A. I’ll investigate this further in the future.

5 March
Way before I change the 3 phase to Parallel


I’m coming to the conclusion my system almost never floated…

29 March It did float, more than 3 hours after reaching 56V


Funny enough, there seems to have been a current discharge at that moment, that somehow woke the system up and sent it to float