Feed_in not allowed behaviour in 3-phase grid connection, Multi RS Solar

I have a 3-phase connection, and RS6000 connected to phase 1. While charging the battery by PV, the RS compensates the use of electricity on phase 2 and 3.

When I set Feed_In to Not Allowed, the RS does not compensate for usage on the other fases. In some cases this would be usefull; when the price is below zero, but taxes are not, or in case I want to stop paying for being able to sell back because the fixed costs are higher than the earnings.

So I expected 3 options here, which are technological already possible; Feed_In “Allowed”, “Not Allowed, no ESS” and “Not Allows, with ESS”, or “Not Allowed, No compensation” and “Not Allowed, with Compensation”. Any name will do.

Am I overcomplicating my wishes, do I overlook an option or is this a missing feature?

In the Cerbo-GX I found the setting “ESS max feed-in power” which is currently set to “-1”, no limits. This can be set to a positive number representing 100W units. Zero is not accepted. This would have solved my problem as well.

I want to use Home Assistant for running an automation to set “ESS disable feed-in” to “On” when “today_energy_current_hour_price” is below zero. If setting “ESS max feed-in power” to zero will do the job, then I am happy as well of course.

Good idea, I’m missing this option as well. Thanks for bringing this up.

One vote from me for this feature. :white_check_mark:

Just saw this comment from @dognose in the beta section.

I tried it and with this Node-RED function:


I was able to change it to zero feed-in and the phases are still compensated. The solar connected to the Multi RS went into the battery. The other connected SMA Tripower wasn’t reduced, so I changed it to 1% and the Multi RS was keeping the grid point around 0.

But when the battery was 100% the it was consuming around 100w / 180w from the grid. Grid setpoint set to 0.

I also have 1 multi rs on 3f grid connection. Only connected on ac-in.

Beta version v3.80~33

Hi,

That bug I noted was just related to Opportunity Loads failing to read that path. General Issues around feedin on the RS, i’m not aware of any with recent firmwares and venus.

If you disable feed-in, then how would it be able to compensate the other two phases?

To compensate what is being used on L2 and L3, there needs to be the same amount of power going back into the grid on L1. But thats what you forbid by disabling feed-in.

I guess what you are looking for is under ESS, grid setpoint. If that is set to 0W (while Feed-in is allowed) then the other two phases will be compensated for, and the net sum of power on the grid connection point will be (about) zero.

In the Netherlands, we are allowed to feed power back to the grid, but sometimes we want to avoid this when prices go negative or when it’s financially unviable. In those situations, we want to use the zero-feed-in function while still balancing the sum of all phases to around 0 watts. That way, we technically aren’t consuming any grid power either, because the smart utility meter net-meters this across all three phases—meaning any excess power produced on phase 1 is immediately offset by the consumption on phases 2 and 3.

However, the setting you mentioned only works properly when we are actively consuming grid power and the battery is not full. When the battery hits 100%, the solar energy connected to the Multi RS does not throttle back like it should, causing unwanted feed-in anyway.

so the 2 options are at this moment with 1 RS on 3 phase grid connection:

  1. With ‘Feed-in’ turned OFF: The MPPTs throttle back correctly, but phase compensation stops working.
  2. With ‘Feed-in’ turned ON and the grid setpoint at 0W: The MPPTs do not throttle back, but the grid setpoint remains perfectly compensated at 0W across all phases, as long as the excess solar power can still be stored in the battery.

Yes sure, but thats what the gridsetpoint is there fore. You set it to 0W and the system regulates for 0W across the phases

Yes correct but this is the situation:

  1. With ‘Feed-in’ turned OFF: The MPPTs throttle back correctly, but phase compensation stops working.
  2. With ‘Feed-in’ turned ON and the grid setpoint at 0W: The MPPTs do not throttle back, but the grid setpoint remains perfectly compensated at 0W across all phases, as long as the excess solar power can still be stored in the battery. When the battery is full this is feed-in to the grid.

Ah, ok. Thanks for the clarification.

How does it behave if you enable “limit system feed-in” and then set this to 0W? Is this being respected and does it still compensate for the other phases then?

That is juste like the above screenshot it’s only compensation phase 1. Added a new one below.

106 watt is used on the L2 and L3 79watt + 37watt. L1 is one -11W but this is around 0 close enough.

Victron connect feed-in is set to 0

with feed in disabled:


victron connect setting net:

@dognose I think the issues mentioned above need to be fixed for the Multi RS before opportunity loads can work correctly. For example, if you start an opportunity load on L2 with feed-in disabled, I guess it will just consume power from the grid. I must admit, though, that I haven’t tried out the opportunity loads function yet.

I tried this and it shows the same behaviour; no compensation. This graph below shows how well the system behaves when the battery is still loading.

How do we know that the Victron team is picking up this issue and working on a fix? Or do we have to report it somewhere?