configuration Multiplus 24/3000/70

Hi,

We have deployed two solar trackers with different solar panel technologies installed. Each technology is attached to a MPPT150/35 or 250/60 charge controller. A set of 2x4 Hoppecke batteries in parallel is loaded by the current coming from the charge controllers. The batteries are then connected to the inverter.

As long as the Multiplus is not connected to the grid it works fine. The problem comes when I do connect the Multiplus to the grid. The grid charges the batteries and stops the load from the charge controllesr, even if the batteries are fully loaded.

My question is: is there any specific configuration to enter in the Multiplus via VEConfigure3, such that the Multiplus switch to the grid for a low charge of the batteries and switch back to batteries when those reach a min load?

Many thanks for your help

Bertrand

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Victron/Simpbms/Tesla Setup Van build

Hi.

Starting a new van build and have some questions regarding battery setup.

I have 1 Tesla model s module (might upgrade to 2 in the future), I'm using Victron Buck boost dc dc 100a for alternator charging and a Mltiplus 3000w inverter.

For BMS I want to use the SIMP BMS together with a Victron gx type, this is where I have some questions and in need of some tips.

Anyone in here that uses a similar setup? Experiences?

Do you use contactors, precharge contactors as fail-safe system or Victron battery protect?

Current sensor via simp bms or victron battery monitor?

Charge enable/disable for temperatur high low, any way to trigger a heating pad?

Anyone tried simp with the cerbo gx?

A lot of questions here. Not much info on the simp bms/victron setup.


aasgardvidar asked
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CerboGX does not display battery percentage using the Lynx ion BMS

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The GX touch50 main screen does not display battery charge status information, the battery is connected to Lynx ion bms, bms is connected to CerboGX. I would be grateful for your help.

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Anton859 asked
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3 PHASE SYSTEM WITH GENSET ( STARTING CURRENT)

we have a customer requesting a solar system for oxygen pumps in his fish farm, he has 4 oxygen pumps each of 2.2 kW rated power and they are three-phase he needs to operate them 24/7 there is also grid in the site for 8-10 hour per day and there is also a generator, he wants to operate using solar during the day time and about 2 hours battery backup at night or during a cloudy winter day, and the Genset will start when the batteries are empty and there is no grid.

can we offer him a solution with Victron at this big back-up capacity, also note that there is no suitable place for the battery so we have to create a small cabin and cool it with a small 12000 BTU AC

I thought of :

19.44 kWp solar (54 panels 360 watts divided for three sets each 18 panels for each inverter)

3 x 5 KVA Quattro

3 X 250/100 MPPT charger (1 for each inverter)

24.576 kWh battery ( 12 X LiFePO4 Battery 12,8V/160Ah Smart ) considering 85%DOD


SO MY QUESTIONS ARE:

1- can this combination (especially the inverter) stand the starting current of this load ( I don't know the starting current the pumps are installed and I couldn't find their datasheet online but I attached the nameplate photo)

2. can I replace the batteries with LONG LIFE GEL OPZV 2V with considering 60% DOD, will they stand the discharge current of the load since the load during the battery back up?

- I attached the load calculation and the motor nameplate

thanks

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eyub asked
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ESS with external control and 3PH Multiplus, sometimes ignoring setpoints

All, i have a new victron ESS with pylontech and 3x5kw Multiplus, plus (independent) production.
For several reasons i want to control the system externally.
Nothing connected to the power output. No meter connected.
This works well most of the time, and the actual power reported on "Grid Power (modbus regs 820..) is closely matching the setpoints set via MQTT and validated by reading from (vebus ID) registers 37,40,41.
However, there are times where the multiplus seem to do what they want. I might give instruction to charge the batteries with 4kW each, but one of them "produces" and the battery discharges ..
Often in that situation also the "AC Input" tile does only show a bar and no more data.
I have to say i have some 5kW+ water pumps which may kick in and stop at any time, which is of course not a really stable load .. as they are (like everything) on the "grid" side of the inverters, this is handled by the public grid, providing power until the multipluses eventually provide the power.

Questions:
- Are there any accessible registers which i should look at in this situation ?
- is there a limit how often a setpoint update should happen - over MQTT, over Modbus/TCP ?
- how fast will/should the Multiplus usually switch from new setpoint to "do" what is asked for ?
- from charging the battery to generating output power ?
- from 4kW charge to 1kW produce ?
- anything i have wrong in my thinking ?
Happy to get some logs, showing the modbus read responses on the AC Input vs Setpoint values, where one can see that they seem to be "disconnected", at other times, they are following by few W ..

Johannes

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Inverter/Charger selection for pure Off-Grid/MicroGrid/Island setup

Hi,


i plan to move to a complete decoupling to the public grid (microgrid/off-grid/island) in a 3-phase configuration. The basic power and battery requirements are known and i could use the Multiplus 48/5000 or the Multiplus II 48/5000 or the Quattro 48/5000 - but which of them is best suited in this mode ? Any special feature at the AC-In line does not matter (there is no public grid) any PV and other genset are connected to the AC-out. Running ESS configs in the past with both Multiplus variants shows that the MultiplusII fans are more or less always running which was not the case with the Multiplus - which is not critical but worth mentioning. Because both Multiplus variants are still on sale, i'm curious to understand the pros and cons for my planned off-grid configuration. Any advise/comment/experience ?

best regards,

Martin

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Active AC Input disconnected AND high voltage alarm daily

So any constructive assistance will be highly appreciated. I have researched this fault numerous times now and also looked across many forums, but I seem to not be able to diagnose and correct these errors.

Background: I have a Multi 2 5000 connected to Cerbo GX with 250/100 MPPT and BMV 702 connected to a 120Ah lithium bank that has its own BMS (so a dumb lithium essentially).

Problem 1: If anything happens to the Multi and I have to restart of switch off or update ESS settings on VE Config I cannot get the Multi to accept AC input voltage. It reads the voltage and displays a nice 233V on AC-in L1 but Active AC Input shows Disconnected. When i turn on the system it goes through the following steps:

I switch the switch to position 1 and soon after the Inverter On comes on and then one hears a internal relay switching a few times. Then after 30 seconds or so there is a loudish click and inverter switches off, after a minute it switches on and process repeats. Eventually it stays on but Main On does not come on and I have no AC input to the system.

This is now the 4th time this is happening to me and it seems to have come right on its own somehow the last few times. I suspected corrupted firmware and reloaded it via VE Config the last time and when I looked again it was working. Co-incidentally the problem occurred while I was downloading the VE Config file to make some charge voltage changes (this coincidence is just too big)

What info do I need to post here to clarify this issue?

Problem 2: Every day I get a high voltage alarm on my BMV. Also I noticed the alarm when I was busy trying to restart my system from the AC input issue.


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My settings are as follows:

BMV (Battery)

Capacity 120Ah
Charged Voltage new 56.8V (old 57.6V) (3.5625V/cell) {58.4V (3.65V/cell)}
Discharge Floor 10%
Tail Current 4%
Charged Detection time 3m
Peukert 1.05
Efficiency 0.99
Current Threshold 0.10 A
Time to go averaging 3m

MPPT (Battery)

Voltage 48V
Max charge 70A
Charge Voltages:
Absorption new 56.8 V (old 57.6 V)
Float 56.8 V (old 54 V)
Equalization 55.2 V (Old 54.4 V)
Auto Equal Disabled
Temp Compensation -64.80 mV/°C

Cerbo (VRM Online)


Multiplus Remote VE Config File

General:
AC input limit 50 A
tick Enable battery monitor
State of charge when bulk finished 95.0 %
Battery Capacity 120 Ah
Charge Efficiency 0.95

Inverter:
Output Voltage 230 V
DC input shutdown 45.0 V
DC input low restart 50.0 V (Old 51 V)
DC input low pre alarm 45.5 V

Charger:
tick Enable charger
untick Weak AC input
tick Lithium batteries
Charge curve [Fixed]
Absorb Voltage 56.8 V (Old 57.6 V)
Float 56.8 V (Old 54 V)
Charge Current 30 A

JaaksZA asked
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Exporting power to the grid.

Hi Everyone

I want to add a Multiplus-11 GX 24/3000/70-3 to my current system in order to export power back to the grid when I have excess. I have a 150/70 MPPT Charge controller and a Multiplus Compact 24/1600/40-16 (which the GX will replace) connected to my 550amp/hr battery bank. The 24/1600 is connected to the grid so that I can charge the batteries after several weeks of poor weather in the winter. Will the Multiplus-11 GX automatically export back to the grid when the batteries are full and no loads are being used ?

I don't know if the 24/1600 can export back to the grid already, maybe it can?

I live in Perth Western Australia.

Thanks in advance.

Regards

Jon

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3 phase unbalanced load - no distributed neutral

Apologies in advance if this question has been answered somewhere else.

Please see attached diagram.

I have a customer that wants to operate CNC engineering equipment from a stand-alone supply. My question is regarding the equipment loading on the Quattro's. The CNC Mill has only a 3ph 3 wire connection to an onboard 400V to 200V transformer which also only has a 3 wire output. Assumption is a delta-delta connection as drawn.

I'm at saturation level with 3ph AC theory and understand what happens at the load end of the unbalanced 3 wire load but I can't find anything that explains how a single inverter in a 3ph config handle returning unbalanced current from the other two lines.

My questions:

Will this work?

If not, what would be needed to make it work?

Is this kind of connection supported by Victron at all?


Any thoughts and recommendations greatly appreciated.


ML.

Mike Lynch asked
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AC wiring Multiplus 48V 1200VA

I have a basic question - or confirmation

Is there a schematic of the L, E and Neutral wiring for the AC In and AC out. This is for the newer Multiplus 48v 1200 VA 13

It uses GST 18 male and female connector -

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Can someone please anotate it on the diagram - just wanted to double check before I wire things up

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BMV712 with AGM+MPPT+Multiplus gives 0% after a while

Hi, my BMV712 starts off from 100% when I start up the inverter (Multiplus Compact 1600VA) but then slowly drains to 0% and never rises above it again. The MPPT however gets to float nicely every day and stays there. I have a refridegarator connected to the inverter so it does go on every now and then but still the MPPT stays on float.

Dunno what’s wrong. My BMV settings are as follows.

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Fredu12345 asked
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Quattro 10 kVa Split System in Australia

Hi, Everyone

We are currently design some offgrid system in Australia, Client required split system output 480V.

I am not sure whether quattro 10 kVa can not set up a split phase system and how to wire them.

AC in will be backup genset and how to wire it?

We only have experience on 3 phase connection.

I viewed some document onlione which is for 120V-240V split system.

John2019 asked

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Quattro Cooling Fan

Hi. We are installing a Victron Quattro 24/8000 in an Itama 75 in France. The cooling fans do not switch on. The unit is getting hot and with other installations the fans have come on, Am I missing something or is the unit faulty?


Any answers appreciated as sea trials are on Wednesday and we must return to UK on Thursday.


Thank you.

Chris Dobson asked

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ESS System Phase Compensation Help

i installed 3x MP2 3000VA /48V. Updated Firmware to 2629474. made ve quick config, setted all settings. made the ess assistant in each MP. Now i try everything but the whole system acts like phase compensation is disabled although it is enabled. each inverter does only deliver so much power as required on the specific phase according to the grid meter. No idea why the compensation setting in the venus gx is not working. Please help!!

AC L1,L2,L3 is connected to MPNr.1-ACIN, MPNr2-ACIN, MPNr3-ACIN. The system is useless. If the electric car is plugged in on one phase with 7kW it only delivers max. 2.4kW from one inverter, if no other loads are switched on. If someone cooks on L2, i only get 2.4kW from the inverter on Nr.2.

I read all installation manuals, the training video on the Victron professional side, there is no hint what is wrong, looks like a software bug on the Venus gx!

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gnagflow asked
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Three phase from one phase via Quattro's.

Hi If I configure 3X15KVA Quattro's to provide 3 phase output, could I use a single phase AC in to convert a single phase supply to a three phase supply?(As long as a I turn off act as group on the veBus config) If so would they convert the 100 amp 230 Volt supply on the AC in to (roughly) a 33 Amp 400 Volt Supply on the AC out.

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Multiplus Compact Vs New Multiplus 1600

I'm trying to decide between the old Multiplus Compact 1600, and the new Multiplus 12/1600/70

As far as I can tell the output is slightly lower on the new one at higher temperatures, and the casing is different.


Is there any benefit in not getting the newer one? Is the older version more reliable/robust?


Thanks!

pappajj asked

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Which old Multiplus are compatible with MK3-USB

Hi,

I just bought an older Multiplus Compact 12/800/35-16. Before I buy the rather expensive MK3-USB (VE.Bus to USB) Interface I'd like to know if my Multiplus can connect to the computer, because I heard, that with old models it isn't posible.

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That's the lable. Anyone able to answer my question?

Thanks a lot,

René


AsamR asked
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3-phase Delta Solivia 11 configuration with Multiplus inverter 48/5000

I would like to connect a Delta Solivia 11 with a 3-phase output to the output of my Delta Solivia 11 multipluster.

In summer I work as an offgrid without distribution and in winter with distribution.

Is it possible to connect this ongrid inverter to the multiplus output or are only certain inverters such as Fronius, SMA reserved for it?
I'm sorry for my English.

Dusan Banas asked

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Battery Capacity for Multiplus 5000

Hello, I had a question: can I use the Multiplus 5000 24 v with a 300 Ah battery? The manual indicates the recommended capacity of 400-1400 ah, what does it threaten and did anyone come across this situation? Battery connected via lunx ion BMS and DVCC enabled.

Anton859 asked
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Under voltage alarm on only Quattro not on BYD

Hello

I had multiple Undervoltage alarms/warnings on L1 Quattro in 3 phase setup out of sudden.

The LOG file shows BYD reporting normal 54.7 V voltage There was a normal load on the system and no overload recorded. The alarms were getting triggered randomly and the log shows wildly fluctuating VE bus voltage

Does the Ve bus take the voltage only from L1 Quattro?

I checked cable tightness in Quattro ( all three phases ) as well as on the LYNX busbar.

Will check later today the breakers and the individual battery module tightness. What else should I check? The system worked for the last 1 year without any major issues.


The system is ONgrid /ESS with 10 KWH BYD pro and 3 ph 5 KVA Quattro with 6 KVA Fronius and 250/70 Smartsolar


The Log is attached - Relevant entries around 10.30 AM are marked in yellow battery alarm log_log_20200620-0643_to_20200621-0643.zip


Anil Ghatikar asked
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AC to DC Conversion Efficiency for Victron Inverter/Chargers

This document describes inverter (DC->AC) efficiency vs power for the Multiplus: https://www.victronenergy.com/upload/documents/Output-rating-operating-temperature-and-efficiency.pdf

As I'm designing my system, it would also be useful to know efficiency for (DC->AC) so I can size the equipment that will provide AC to the Multplus. I know I could assume the same values/curve as DC->AC, but I also recognize they could be quite different. Does anyone have any resources on this subject?

Nate Costello asked
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Horizontal mounting

Hello

I'm going to buy the 1200kva version of the 'new style' multiplus

https://www.victronenergy.com/inverters-chargers/multi-500-va#system-schematics

The manual no longer says these can be mounted horizontally - some manuals for the older, Compact, range said horizontal was OK.

Can I use these new style units horizontally?

There was an older post from March 2019 about this, but I didn't know whether it related to the 'new' units.

Thanks

MarkJ asked

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ac out 2 connection

I have a multiplus 12/3000/120 and was thinking of connecting the AC out 2 to 1 breaker in the breaker panel. Is this possible or do I need to move that to a sub panel? How would I connect the AC wires?

ptl_10 asked
ptl_10 answered ·

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Multiplus 3000 mit Enwitec Box
Hallo,

gibt es für einen Multiplus 3000 eine Art Enwitec Box, die bei Stromausfall eine Notstromsystem aufbaut?

So wird wie es bei SMA gemacht wird mit all seinen Vorteilen. Siehe PDF.

Der einphasige SMA 3.6 PV Wechselrichter soll weiter laufen und die Batterie laden bis der Stromausfall beendet ist.

Oder kann man gar die Enwitec Box nehmen für den Multiplus, die für den Sunny Island gebaut wird?

Vielen Dank. Gibt es eine Zeichung von Victron, ähnlich, wie diese?

Auf Seite 23 ist es eine Zeichnung, die ich meine:

https://files.sma.de/downloads/Ersatzstrom-IS-de-33W.pdf








Vorhanden:

1xKombigerät Victron MultiPlus-II 48/3000/35-32 Batterie: Nennspannung: 48 V,


1xVictron Energy Meter ET340 dreiphasig, 65A


1x SMA 3.6

pvfachfleischverkeuferin asked

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AC pass thru not working on multiplus 2000 120v

For some reason, the AC pass thru is not working on my multiplus 2000. When I plug in shore power and turn the switch to 'on', the Inverter(Green) LED will light up for a few seconds then switch to the charger(Orange) LED, and I get no AC power out. VEConfig doesn't show any issues with the input AC(118v, 60hz). I've tried changing some of the settings like weak AC input, and UPS power but nothing seems to help. Does anyone have any suggestions?

MrIncy asked
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3-Phase System Wiring

Hello,

From other brand of invertes I saw he posibilities of combining different sets of Inverters with their own Battery bank (Cluster) to suplly a comond Load. see diagram below.

I have the following requirement for a victron off-grid project Desing:

1-Due to the client needs I cannot create a single big battery bank to supply the load,

2- in stage 1, it is required to have single inverter clusters (Inverters + batteries) of 60 kW, to supply different loads around the country. Then, it is desired to be able to combine at least 3 clusters each of them feeding to a single line in a 3 phase system. as presented in the next diagram:

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Additional Information:

1-Battery sets: Lithion Battery of 18.6 kWh and up to 12 parallel integration (222 kWwh).

2- Clusters of 6 Victron 10 kW/120V ( can be configure to a 3 phase system or a single phase depending of the ntegration)

3- Maximum requiered load when combine in a single system 600 kVA, Can be divided in smaller isolated system( Example: 4 X 150kW).

Question:

1- I want to know if it is posible to combine for example 3 clusters of 60 kW (each of them feeding a single line : L1, L2 ,L3) for a total output power of 180 kW and a energy storage of 666 KWh?


s.robinson asked
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Quattro Inverter in Passthru

Hi There,

I have a Victron Quattro system that goes into "passthru" and then stays there for extended periods of time. I have noticed that this is somehow related to communication with the ET112 single phase grid meter which is connected to a color control gx.

Enabling and disabling the energy meter as well as restarting the color control solves the issue consistently.

Below is a list of components with the current firmware versions

Color Control GX - v2.54

5kVA Quattro - 2657430

Freedomwon Battery Monitor - v6.8

250/70 MPPT - v1.50

3.6kVA Fronius Inverter - 3.13.2-2

Please let me know if I'm missing something.

Best Regards

Riaan

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EasySolar 1600 Start Battery - No connection

So looking everywhere, there is reference for it, and supposedly the EasySolar is just a MultiPlus - but there is just no Physical Trickle Charge connection that I can see.

According to one or two other posts it is J15 or thereabouts...and would normally be near the TSense and Relay ports - but not the case on this motherboard.

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In above image - the one with 2 wires plugged in is the T-Sense, then Remote Switch, then the next posts are the Programmable Relay. There are no areas to attach further underneath the Positive Battery lead either...

Thoughts?

LKLMEnterprises asked
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ESS Assitant and AC Current sensor new version are aivailable

Hello Victronauts,

today when entering VE-Config I got a message that some assistants are available in newer version and I should do an update.

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For my installation there are newer versions available for ESS Assitant and AC Current sensor

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I have tried to find a version log or any information what has changed in this new versions but without success.

Does any one have an idea where I can find such informations for the newer versions?

Thanks a lot

DayAndNight

DayAndNight asked
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Inconsistent energy production and consumption readings

We're working with a couple of systems where the production and consumption readings in VRM don't really make sense - namely, for a given period, kWh consumed far exceeds kWh produced. I'd love to get a better understanding of what might be going on.

The composition of both systems is as follows:

  • Three-phase off-grid systems with PV + battery + genset
  • Battery inverters (6x): Quattro 48/8000/110-2x100 rev2
  • MPPT charge controllers (3x): SmartSolar Charger MPPT 250/100
  • PV inverter (1x): Fronius Eco 27.0-3-S
  • Diesel generator

The issue is that in the kWh Excel report (and also in the VRM UI), it appears that the energy delivered from the batteries is far greater than the energy going to them.

Example over a 30-day period:

  • PV to battery: 908 kWh
  • Genset to battery: 87 kWh
  • Battery to consumer: 1575 kWh

It's not clear where the extra ~600 kWh come from. It's obviously not just additional discharge of the batteries, which have a capacity of ~100 kWh. Also this kind of pattern – of consumption being greater than production – is repeated on a daily basis; i.e. it's not just a one-off data glitch.

Any ideas what the culprit might be? And in the meantime, any thoughts as to whether the production or the consumption values are likely to be more reliable?

Finally, besides the two systems that exhibit this issue, there is a third with the same composition, where the readings there appear to be more consistent. In that the energy delivered from the batteries is 70-80% of the energy going into them.

svet asked
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