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VictronConnect Instant readout: see readings immediately on the Device list

Good morning all!

We are currently beta testing a new feature in VictronConnect which is a major improvement: when you open VictronConnect, it will show information for your products (when in range) within seconds.

Which, patiently as I am myself (…), is really really cool.

Here is a video I took, of my electric boat: https://www.dropbox.com/s/28wqdoraucs0q86/RPReplay_Final1653669859.mov?dl=0.


And a screenshot:

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Within seconds, I can see what I want to know: how is the state of charge, are the batteries balanced. And thats done without having to connect to each individual battery. Much much faster.

Currently available for SmartLithiums, SmartShunt, BMV-712 and SmartSolars.

To try this, see VictronConnect Beta instructions.

Once installed, update your product(s) and then go to the product info page where you need to enable the new feature. Note that you might need to wait 20 seconds for the option to appear. Thats something we’ll fix before release.

Besides faster, also the range is a bit longer.

You might wonder how this works security wise: ie can someone now walk over the camping ground or harbor and see everybody their voltages and state of charge? The answer is no. The data is encrypted with security keys that are exchanged when connected; which is only possible when knowing the pin code. Do note that, as always, for max security, the only solution is to disable bluetooth and don’t use it at all.


Have a good weekend, Matthijs

VictronConnect
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Hi all, today we released a new beta: 5.70-beta4.


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Detailed changes are in above beta instructions link.


One nice feature: all prior connected devices are now grouped on top of tue screen, and sorted by name: on the same place every time. Faster to check and interpret and “easier on the brain”.



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lelazary avatar image lelazary commented ·
Works great. Thank you so much for this feature. It would be great to have the encryption scheme so I can use my onboard Linux machine to get this data. Right now I have to connect to each Bluetooth separately.
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baronner answered ·

That's a really nice feature! Like it a lot!

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Sarah answered ·

98dc4402-3057-49c7-9b5d-eeaec900744f.pngVery happy with the new features as well as the VE.Can Integration.


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dirkmuc answered ·

Super improvement! Thanks Victron.

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slapperia answered ·

Looking really nice! Great work!

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pyemarine answered ·

Mathijs,

FYI on a Macbook Pro running Mac OS 12.4, the VC beta v5.70 hangs midway during the required firmware update;

on smart solar 75/15 when going from 2.37 to 2.41. It also happens on the smartshunt. This is repeatable and the only way to get the devices back is to use VC 5.60 to reflash to 2.37

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Noted! Thank you
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@pyemarine Please, let me know the exact MacBook Pro model you have.

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pyemarine avatar image pyemarine jperez (Victron Energy Staff) ♦♦ commented ·

Here you go:

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pau1phi11ips answered ·

I'm slightly confused, should I be able to see the Multiplus II (firmware v497) in this Victron Connect beta?

The Cerbo is on 2.90 ~10 large.

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Yes, v497 is included in this beta but also in latest official release v5.60. To find it connect to the Multi with VictronConnect and MK3 and go to the product info page, you will find an update button there.
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pau1phi11ips avatar image pau1phi11ips jperez (Victron Energy Staff) ♦♦ commented ·

Hmm, that's what I thought. I don't see the Multi, despite it already being on v497

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Victron Connect is 5.70beta5

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jperez (Victron Energy Staff) avatar image jperez (Victron Energy Staff) ♦♦ pau1phi11ips commented ·

VE.Bus inverter/chagers are not supported via VC-Remote yet.

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pau1phi11ips avatar image pau1phi11ips jperez (Victron Energy Staff) ♦♦ commented ·
Ah :)

Thanks for the clarification!

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gainestr answered ·

Do you think that this protocol for broadcasting this data over Bluetooth will ever be ported into an Apple Watch application? I would love to have the ability to see this data on a device other than my phone which I don’t carry with me all the time. Or maybe Victron could develop, over time, a small Bluetooth enabled device with a screen that can be mounted anywhere within Bluetooth range instead of needing a wired display such as the BMV-712.

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Hi @gainestr , that could very well be that we do that. Both ideas have been discussed. Thanks!
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klim8skeptic answered ·

Seems to work via VRM also ?

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The 2 mppts (75-50 bluesolar and 100-50 smart solar) appear to be live. v.159 , ve direct cables.

The BMV values hang / get stuck. v3.11 , usb > ve direct adaptor.

Venus v2.85.

Great work so far. :)



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Right @klim8skeptic works on VRM as well.
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tobi17 answered ·

This is a really a nice feature, I have tested it a lot! But for reliability reasons you should display a timestamp for each device! It is very important to know how old are these broadcasted data are. From experiences data should always have a timestamp - always! This should be enhanced at cerbo/venus gui as well.

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gainestr avatar image gainestr commented ·

This data is live. No time stamp needed for live data. If you’re not close enough to to receive the data, it doesn’t populate. It’s pretty easy to look at the data and see the numbers changing to see that it’s live so I’m not certain why a time stamp would be needed. When is the last time you looked at a time stamp when you checked your current balance in your bank account?

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mike4nl answered ·

A nice new feature really. But one thing is not working on my site
- E.g. Mppt 75/15 with Smart Battery Sense
--> I can't see the temparture from the 24V accu system

In the mppt view (Connect Software) she is shown.

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gainestr answered ·

Only issue I’m seeing with latest beta is that the SmartShunt doesn’t show “Infinite” when there is more current coming in than going out in time remaining field. It simply shows “- -“ Not a big deal but in the device list, the new BT protocol at least shows the infinity symbol.

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Hi @gainestr ; thank you, noted. We'll take a look at that. Either before or after the first official release that adds this "immediate data" feature.
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netsrac27 answered ·

Does the BlueSolar MPPT with the separate Bluetooth Interface support broadcasting data? Didn‘t see any firmware updates or options under product info. Or do I need a SmartSolar MPPT?

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Hi @netsrac27

VictronConnect v5.73, which is released today, adds support for external "VE.Direct Bluetooth Smart dongle (Rev2)" dongles.

Kind regards,

Thiemo van Engelen

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netsrac27 answered ·

Also what does this implementation mean for the GATT services implemented in the Smart Shunt? is there still hope that we will get GATT support for other devices?

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Hi @netsrac27 I'm not sure yet. If they will, then not anytime soon .For most use cases, the advertised data will be far easier to use for integration, as well as more stable: rather than trying to keep a connected-state-stack up and running, just parsing the advertisements is enough.
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netsrac27 avatar image netsrac27 mvader (Victron Energy) ♦♦ commented ·
Absolutely agree. Would love to be able to decode the advertising data. Hope you will publish some information how to decrypt the data once it made it's way to the final version.


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felixsteinbeis answered ·

Hi Matthijs @mvader (Victron Energy) ,

this is a really cool feature! I've been looking for a solution to read out my BMV-712 via Bluetooth for over a year now.

My hope was the new GATT service, but unfortunately it is not yet available for the BMV-712 (but I keep hoping it will come). Now my second hope is the new advertising data. These contain almost all the info I need.

However, the data are encrypted. How can I decrypt the data? I can read the advertising data and see a timestamp. But I am missing more information about encryption and encoding.

I really hope Victron can provide the info so I can finally read my BMV-712 with Bluetooth.

Thank you very much.

Many greetings
Felix

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Hi @felix.steinbeis as well as others, we'll be looking into if- and how we can make the new plan available for integration soon. Thanks for your interest.
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netsrac27 avatar image netsrac27 mvader (Victron Energy) ♦♦ commented ·
@mvader (Victron Energy) Any updates on releasing the protocol to the public? It would be such a big help for monitoring my devices.


I would also not have any issue if you add an "send unencrypted" switch into the devices that will broadcast the data publicly (so that you don't need to share your encryption algorithm).
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pepe1395 answered ·

Very nice add on but I have a problem in displaying the readings of my IP43 when in local, as you can see in the picture attached. No problem in VRM.

Ciao!

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Matthias Lange - DE avatar image Matthias Lange - DE ♦ commented ·

@Pepe1395

Supported by SmartSolar, Smart BMV, SmartShunt, Smart Battery Sense, Lynx Smart BMS, Smart Lithium and Inverter/Multi/MPPT RS.

VE.Direct and VRM remote connected devices does also benefit of this new feature; in this case no new firmware is needed.

https://www.victronenergy.com/live/victronconnect:beta

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wanek answered ·

Hello!


Thanks for the nice feature, this is indeed useful. The Inverter Smart and Bluesolar MPPT will ever be supported?

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Hi @wanek

VictronConnect v5.73, which is released today, adds support for external "VE.Direct Bluetooth Smart dongle (Rev2)" dongles and the internal dongle of SmartInverters.

Kind regards,

Thiemo van Engelen

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wanek avatar image wanek Thiemo van Engelen (Victron Energy staff) commented ·

Thanks a lot! I just downloaded and it works.

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k-k avatar image k-k Thiemo van Engelen (Victron Energy staff) commented ·

@Thiemo van Engelen (Victron Energy staff)

would be nice to see the broadcast permanently, as it shows not all, "leistung" & "ertrag" pop up shortly before they meet Kurt Cobain. Also in connect v5.73 it is impossible to export .csv (share data) from a sun 12/250.


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Hi @k_k


For which product do you have this behavior: "would be nice to see the broadcast permanently, as it shows not all, "leistung" & "ertrag" pop up shortly before they meet Kurt Cobain. " ?

And thanks for reporting the problem with the history export for the Sun inverter. We can reproduce the problem and it will be fixed in some future version.

Kind regards,

Thiemo van Engelen

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@Thiemo van Engelen (Victron Energy staff)

thank you very much for your answer, cause you taking it serious.

The device is a sun 12/250 230V (Sin 121251100)

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The video is a bit old so:

hint1: the firmware is now 2.41 (no behavior change).

hint2: i moved the inverter, so all data ist lost (just battery dis/reconnect, no manual data erasure)

hint3: the recording stopped 1-2 seconds too early - after quitting victronconnect it shows for a second all 5 items including [Solarleistung] [Ertrag]. The data preview falls then back to only show 3 items: [Batteriespannung] [AC-Last] [Zustand]. So from that on the 2 data items from the pwm-controller are lost (in nirvana).
hint4: before restarting victronconnect again it shows only 3 items (as standard before starting up)

Seems to be a refresh of the display first having all data, then like a reset, only the inverter-data remains, not polling pwm-data again -> A19E

(Data object to small - Vcc switched off?)

I'll fetch a new endsequence.

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Just plain recording, no extra interaction. Hope that helps.

Kind regards

Edit: how do i remove the doublettes (files) ?


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Hi @k_k

The fact that the PWM data disappears can be explained: The broadcast data does not contain the PWM data, only the inverter data. But VictronConnect will show the available PWM values that it received while it was connected for a very short while after disconnecting. This will be solved in a future release.

We are looking into the issue of the empty history charts and the kwh counters being 0.

The "Unknown device (A19E)" was a purely textual issue in VictronConnect and does not change anything regarding behavior. This will also be solves in a future release.

Kind regards,

Thiemo van Engelen

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k-k avatar image k-k Thiemo van Engelen (Victron Energy staff) commented ·
Nice to hear from you. Please look also after the non storage of warnings (e.g. batt too low) i got these warnings, acknowledged them but they weren't stored/shown in the charts.

Mfg

Kind regards


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k-k avatar image k-k Thiemo van Engelen (Victron Energy staff) commented ·

Hi @Thiemo van Engelen (Victron Energy staff)

any news for the sun 12/250 and bluetooth and history ?

Overload warning isn't also mentioned in history


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hi @k_k

I indeed have some news regarding the history. The problem has been identified and new firmware has been made which will probably be included in the next VictronConnect.

I will forward your issue with the overload warning to the developers.

Kind regards,

Thiemo van Engelen

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Hi @k_k

The SUN inverter firmware that contains the fix for the history can be downloaded from our Victron Professional website: https://professional.victronenergy.com/downloads/firmware/

Here you can download the firmware file and add this to VictronConnect on your phone/tablet. The procedure is described here: https://www.victronenergy.com/media/pg/VictronConnect_Manual/en/firmware-updates.html#UUID-705fe0d3-30d8-e6e6-aad1-856f4ac6e3b3

We have also identified the issue with the storage of the warnings/errors in the history and this will probably be solved on the next SUN inverter firmware.

Kind regards,

Thiemo van Engelen

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k-k avatar image k-k Thiemo van Engelen (Victron Energy staff) commented ·

Hi @Thiemo van Engelen (Victron Energy staff)

just for your info (i can't replicate it) - is there a difference between victronconnect 5.72 and 5.73 how they handle the *.dup files?

1.) I installed it 2times whith each version, the last attempt was not only shown in the about-cog (as every 4 times) but really shows an effect in charts. (I tested and waited 2 day-cycles). But, ashes on me, can't tell which version was really successful.

2.) In the help-html are save/download & upload-buttons shown for the settings: can't find them for the real device, but only for demo-devices.

3.) I saw a message* in the forum that a mppt 150/100 has also the problem with a nonfunctional csv, same as sun 12/250.

*gbradleyviper

2b.) These long victron-nights:

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Hi @k_k

1. There is no difference between the different VictronConnect versions in how they handle .dup files. When the firmware update was successful with any of these versions, it was already ok. Unfortunately, the new firmware is not able to recover the generated Ah from before the firmware update. It will start registering the generated Ah right after the update.

2. Thanks for reporting this. We will look into this.

3. We have seen this post, thank you also mentioning it here.

Kind regards,

Thiemo van Engelen


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goboatingnow answered ·

When will the IP 22 12/30 support this feature ?

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black-moon answered ·

@mvader (Victron Energy) I switched on this new feature some weeks ago out of curiosity. Today I wanted to deactivate it again (I'm only using one device so far), but I just can't remember where the "switch" was! Could you please give me a hint? I'm starting to go nuts about it! :(

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Hi @Black Moon

The setting is in Settings (cog wheel upper right)->Product Info (three dots upper right). You might need to scroll down a bit to see the setting.

Kind regards,

Thiemo van Engelen

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black-moon avatar image black-moon Thiemo van Engelen (Victron Energy staff) commented ·
Thanks a lot! I even saw that switch several times during my search, but couldn't relate its title to what I was searching for. You could rename it to make its purpose more obvious.
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mvader (Victron Energy) avatar image mvader (Victron Energy) ♦♦ black-moon commented ·

Hi, yes this feature was a difficult one to find a good name for!

We'll soon rename it to Instant readout via Bluetooth:


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solarmike answered ·

Hey Victron Team and Community

The Instant Readout feature is great to see all devices at once.

But my Phoenix Charger IP43 show no live data with the Android ConnectApp.

I put a Smart Dongle on it, also no live data.

With a USB Ve. Interface on Win ConnectApp it shows live data.

And a other question is, how can i get devices from "Own Devices" back to "Other Devices.?

Many thanks for reply.


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Stefanie avatar image Stefanie ♦♦ commented ·

@SolarMike

Phoenix Smart Charger IP43 is not compatible with Instant readout via Bluetooth (see the VictronConnect manual, chapter 11.2.) , but will benefit from this feature when connected via its VE.Direct interface. That's why you see it on your Win computer.

The only way to move devices from Own Devices back to Other Devices is to start from scratch, means completely remove VictronConnect from your mobile device and reinstall it from Google Play.

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